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John Cocktoston · August 13th, 2007, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxpert

Good at his job? You have to be kidding. Karl Rove singlehandedly may have destroyed his own party's chances to control the agenda in Washington and statehouses around the country, for a generation to come.

You think so? I don't think he's even appreciably diminished his party's chances to win the White House in 2008.

I keep hearing that thinking from Democrats, but I can't reconcile your confidence in a crippled GOP with the fact that the Democratic Congress has a lower approval rating than George W. Bush...who is loathed even among his own party. How is that possible?

Congress Approval Down to 29%; Bush Approval Steady at 33%

Roxpert · August 13th, 2007, 06:40 PM

The reason that Congress has an even lower approval rating is its complete failure in stopping or changing the Bush administration's policies. The Dems are ineffectual given that they do not have a veto-proof majority. People are dissatisfied that our government's checks and balances seem to be in tatters, and they do NOT wish for more Republicans in Congress, I can assure you of that. If that's how you are interpreting the Congressional polling results, you are sadly mistaken.

You also fail to point out that the Republican controlled Congress had an equally low rating last year while Bush was even higher in the polls than he is now. Congressional approval ratings have not changed; Bush's ratings have.

Since you focus on polling, surely you've seen that far more people identify themselves as Democrats or "Democratic leaning" than Republican or "Republican leaning". Those identifying themselves as Independents prefer Democratic candidates and policies by a nearly two to one margin. I could provide you some more links if you'd like, but they are readily obtainable by googling for them.

John Cocktoston · August 13th, 2007, 06:52 PM

I'm not a big believer in polls, actually.

"Lies, damned lies and statistics" and what not. I guess if what you say is true, the Dems have nothing to worry about in 2008 or for years to come since this election thing sounds like a foregone conclusion.

Roxpert · August 13th, 2007, 07:05 PM

I actually expect close elections next year. Assuming that the voting apparatus is not tampered with and the issues are similar in Nov. '08 to what they are now, I indeed expect the Democrats to take more Senate seats, more House seats, and YES, I expect a Democrat to win the White House.

The people have woken up to the horrible mismanagement of government, at all levels, by the GOP. This has led to most state legislatures and governorships being controlled by Democrats after the 2006 elections. The sheer incompetence of the Republican party leadership has led to a thirst for change.

There's a fitting joke about the GOP: Their philosophy is that government doesn't work, then they win elections and set out to prove it. The Donkey party may not prove any more effective, but people want to find out after this 6-year GOP led nightmare. I'd be shocked if conservatives control any branch of our government than the judiciary for the next decade. I really would.

rockieprogress · August 13th, 2007, 08:51 PM

Roxpert, I couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Congress's rating at present.
Pundits on the right would have everyone believe that the rating ONLY applies to Democrats in Congress. Personally, I think it has to do with the ENTIRE Congress, and specifically with the GOP's blocking of any investigations into the Executive branch.

Roxpert · August 13th, 2007, 09:17 PM

For a little comic relief, watch this video that explains who really controls Washington....

Dick Knows Best video

indianadrew · August 31st, 2007, 06:02 PM

Mother Killed In Baseball Game Rage

wow i thought white soxs fans were violent. he killed his own mother

Newman · September 2nd, 2007, 09:53 AM

The hypocrit Larry Craig has resigned his seat as Republican Senator from Idaho. I don't understand why gays belong to the Republican Party anyway, log cabin Republicans. It makes no sense. Then you get these guys like Craig in Idaho or Ted Haggard, who bash gays on the one hand and are "tapping their toes in restrooms" on the other. Go figure.

The Republican Party is the party of exclusion, all white, lack of diversity, and intolerance. It is the stay the course party. All the racists are in that party. All the gay bashers are in that party. I would be embarassed to call myself a Republican.

As for the upcoming 2008 elections though, it will be close. Why? Because the Iraq War is being spun by the corporate media and the Repubs just like a football game. Win vs. lose. Who wants to lose another war, like Vietnam, like a football game! Americans hate to lose football games or wars. Hence we must stay the course, stay in a war we cannot win, and should never have been in?

It makes no sense.

But people vote on emotion, not always on intelligence.

How can we win this war in Iraq? What is a win? Those people have been fighting for 1600 years in that region and we in the United States, a half a world away, with a totally different culture, are going to change that?!!

Benchmarks have not been met. Al Maliki doesn't want Sunnis in his government. Why should there ever be "peace" in Iraq until another "strongman" is put in place.

It's a no win war, like Vietnam, and yet the Repubs are excellent at spinning it like a football game. No one likes to lose in sports or wars. The election will be very close in 2008. Don't kid yourself.

indianadrew · September 2nd, 2007, 04:44 PM

"The Republican Party is the party of exclusion, all white, lack of diversity, and intolerance. It is the stay the course party. All the racists are in that party. All the gay bashers are in that party. I would be embarassed to call myself a Republican"

what party is robert byrd in, newman?
i know how strongly you feel about your political views, but that is just wrong. there are plenty of good politicians on the both sides of the isle. the problem occurs when you get "lifers". a perfect example of a lifer is good old ted kennedy. i have many opinions on him that i will just keep to myself. our founding fathers never intended for people to spend their entire careers in politics. power corrupts, and newman, if you think that one party is any more corupt than the other then you are sorely mistaken. not all republicans like the direction the president is taking this country at this time. in fact, some really disapprove pretty much all he has done.

nice to see you back newman

John Cocktoston · September 2nd, 2007, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newman

The Republican Party is the party of exclusion, all white, lack of diversity, and intolerance. It is the stay the course party. All the racists are in that party. All the gay bashers are in that party. I would be embarassed to call myself a Republican.

LOL!

rockieprogress · September 2nd, 2007, 05:58 PM

Here's a copy of another forum I post on (not baseball related)

"Okay... so I'm never sure who I trust the least, Politicians or Police officers. Because of this, I thought I'd ask a friend of mine (one who is a bit more knowledgable about gay bathroom sex) about this little Larry Craig bathroom incident. I mean, maybe he did have a wide stance, right? I mean, tapping your feet?

So, I ask my buddy whether what Craig did was anything close to a "sex in the bathroom signal"...

Apparently these are very well known signals. There actually is a very well laid out ritual for guys to go through before they end up having sex in the bathroom, and Larry Craig was following it to the tee.

What's more interesting... according to my friend, the hand signal he gave meant that he wanted to be the sucker, not the suckee."
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I guess his friend must be of the gay persuasion (not that there's anything wrong with that) since he knows all the signals...

You're right General, he's a hypocrit all right.

As someone there posted, the problem starts when the Reps want to classify their party as holier-than-thou. They run around trumpeting "family-values" yet they are littered with Divorces, and Bribe takers, and closeted gays. Yet they continue to sit outside their glass house throwing rocks at the neighbors, all the while yelling "liberal media followers" at the neighbors that are holding rocks ready to throw back at them...
Well now their panes are full of holes, and they still don't see that its a bad idea.
That makes them stupid hypocrits IMO.

John Cocktoston · September 2nd, 2007, 06:09 PM

To the extent that either of you care, you're both misspelling "hypocrite".

I'm not a fan of the online spelling and punctuation police and I point it out in this instance solely because you're both positively correlating intelligence with liberalism and I'd hate to see you look silly doing it...

indianadrew · September 2nd, 2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockieprogress

As someone there posted, the problem starts when the Reps want to classify their party as holier-than-thou. They run around trumpeting "family-values" yet they are littered with Divorces, and Bribe takers, and closeted gays. Yet they continue to sit outside their glass house throwing rocks at the neighbors, all the while yelling "liberal media followers" at the neighbors that are holding rocks ready to throw back at them...
Well now their panes are full of holes, and they still don't see that its a bad idea.
That makes them stupid hypocrits IMO.

RP

it's not just the republicans that are crooked. the whole idea of a 2 party system is flawed. i say throw em all out. put me in office. i have more in common with the everyday american than these clowns in washington.

FIRE ALL OF THEM

Heltonfan · September 2nd, 2007, 08:49 PM

Quote:

I have more in common with the everyday american than these clowns in washington.

And that's a good thing? This is part of the problem... a lot of people think that someone who resembles them would make a good leader. Which is absurd. A leader needs to stand out from the masses, not blend in.

Newman · September 2nd, 2007, 09:06 PM

I'm all for term limits. I would love to term limit my personal Congressman, Tom Tancredo. He is a professional politician. I agree. I don't think the framers wanted this sort of thing to happen, whether it be Ted Kennedy or Larry Craig.

Thanks for the spelling help, JC.

Drew, both parties are flawed. Of course. We all see that. But the Republican Party is bought and paid for by the transnational corporations. The Congress voted 411-3 to stop this Mexican truck deal from going thru (part of NAFTA, which Clinton got passed). And yet it is going to happen anyway. Why? Because Bush wants it to. He is all about cheap labor. That translates into more profits for the corporations that own him.

The Repubs are the worse party because they didn't stand up to Bush on the Iraq War OR on illegal immigration. Why? Because they are also controlled by the lobbyists and special interest groups like the pharmaceutical companies.

Sure it would be great if there was a third party, a reform party. But there isn't.

The only hope is to fix the Democratic Party. I'm in the Edwards camp right now. Kucinich represents me just about perfectly but he has no shot because the corporate media makes him look like a clown. They discount him at every turn even though he says the right things.

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August 13th, 2007, 06:40 PM	#227 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	The reason that Congress has an even lower approval rating is its complete failure in stopping or changing the Bush administration's policies. The Dems are ineffectual given that they do not have a veto-proof majority. People are dissatisfied that our government's checks and balances seem to be in tatters, and they do NOT wish for more Republicans in Congress, I can assure you of that. If that's how you are interpreting the Congressional polling results, you are sadly mistaken. You also fail to point out that the Republican controlled Congress had an equally low rating last year while Bush was even higher in the polls than he is now. Congressional approval ratings have not changed; Bush's ratings have. Since you focus on polling, surely you've seen that far more people identify themselves as Democrats or "Democratic leaning" than Republican or "Republican leaning". Those identifying themselves as Independents prefer Democratic candidates and policies by a nearly two to one margin. I could provide you some more links if you'd like, but they are readily obtainable by googling for them.

August 13th, 2007, 06:52 PM	#228 (permalink)
John Cocktoston Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 375	I'm not a big believer in polls, actually. "Lies, damned lies and statistics" and what not. I guess if what you say is true, the Dems have nothing to worry about in 2008 or for years to come since this election thing sounds like a foregone conclusion.

August 13th, 2007, 07:05 PM	#229 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	I actually expect close elections next year. Assuming that the voting apparatus is not tampered with and the issues are similar in Nov. '08 to what they are now, I indeed expect the Democrats to take more Senate seats, more House seats, and YES, I expect a Democrat to win the White House. The people have woken up to the horrible mismanagement of government, at all levels, by the GOP. This has led to most state legislatures and governorships being controlled by Democrats after the 2006 elections. The sheer incompetence of the Republican party leadership has led to a thirst for change. There's a fitting joke about the GOP: Their philosophy is that government doesn't work, then they win elections and set out to prove it. The Donkey party may not prove any more effective, but people want to find out after this 6-year GOP led nightmare. I'd be shocked if conservatives control any branch of our government than the judiciary for the next decade. I really would.

August 13th, 2007, 08:51 PM	#230 (permalink)
rockieprogress Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: aurora Posts: 183	Roxpert, I couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Congress's rating at present. Pundits on the right would have everyone believe that the rating ONLY applies to Democrats in Congress. Personally, I think it has to do with the ENTIRE Congress, and specifically with the GOP's blocking of any investigations into the Executive branch.

August 13th, 2007, 09:17 PM	#231 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	For a little comic relief, watch this video that explains who really controls Washington.... Dick Knows Best video

August 31st, 2007, 06:02 PM	#232 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 698	Mother Killed In Baseball Game Rage wow i thought white soxs fans were violent. he killed his own mother

September 2nd, 2007, 09:53 AM	#233 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 566	The hypocrit Larry Craig has resigned his seat as Republican Senator from Idaho. I don't understand why gays belong to the Republican Party anyway, log cabin Republicans. It makes no sense. Then you get these guys like Craig in Idaho or Ted Haggard, who bash gays on the one hand and are "tapping their toes in restrooms" on the other. Go figure. The Republican Party is the party of exclusion, all white, lack of diversity, and intolerance. It is the stay the course party. All the racists are in that party. All the gay bashers are in that party. I would be embarassed to call myself a Republican. As for the upcoming 2008 elections though, it will be close. Why? Because the Iraq War is being spun by the corporate media and the Repubs just like a football game. Win vs. lose. Who wants to lose another war, like Vietnam, like a football game! Americans hate to lose football games or wars. Hence we must stay the course, stay in a war we cannot win, and should never have been in? It makes no sense. But people vote on emotion, not always on intelligence. How can we win this war in Iraq? What is a win? Those people have been fighting for 1600 years in that region and we in the United States, a half a world away, with a totally different culture, are going to change that?!! Benchmarks have not been met. Al Maliki doesn't want Sunnis in his government. Why should there ever be "peace" in Iraq until another "strongman" is put in place. It's a no win war, like Vietnam, and yet the Repubs are excellent at spinning it like a football game. No one likes to lose in sports or wars. The election will be very close in 2008. Don't kid yourself.

September 2nd, 2007, 04:44 PM	#234 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 698	"The Republican Party is the party of exclusion, all white, lack of diversity, and intolerance. It is the stay the course party. All the racists are in that party. All the gay bashers are in that party. I would be embarassed to call myself a Republican" what party is robert byrd in, newman? i know how strongly you feel about your political views, but that is just wrong. there are plenty of good politicians on the both sides of the isle. the problem occurs when you get "lifers". a perfect example of a lifer is good old ted kennedy. i have many opinions on him that i will just keep to myself. our founding fathers never intended for people to spend their entire careers in politics. power corrupts, and newman, if you think that one party is any more corupt than the other then you are sorely mistaken. not all republicans like the direction the president is taking this country at this time. in fact, some really disapprove pretty much all he has done. nice to see you back newman

September 2nd, 2007, 05:58 PM	#236 (permalink)
rockieprogress Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: aurora Posts: 183	Here's a copy of another forum I post on (not baseball related) "Okay... so I'm never sure who I trust the least, Politicians or Police officers. Because of this, I thought I'd ask a friend of mine (one who is a bit more knowledgable about gay bathroom sex) about this little Larry Craig bathroom incident. I mean, maybe he did have a wide stance, right? I mean, tapping your feet? So, I ask my buddy whether what Craig did was anything close to a "sex in the bathroom signal"... Apparently these are very well known signals. There actually is a very well laid out ritual for guys to go through before they end up having sex in the bathroom, and Larry Craig was following it to the tee. What's more interesting... according to my friend, the hand signal he gave meant that he wanted to be the sucker, not the suckee." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess his friend must be of the gay persuasion (not that there's anything wrong with that) since he knows all the signals... You're right General, he's a hypocrit all right. As someone there posted, the problem starts when the Reps want to classify their party as holier-than-thou. They run around trumpeting "family-values" yet they are littered with Divorces, and Bribe takers, and closeted gays. Yet they continue to sit outside their glass house throwing rocks at the neighbors, all the while yelling "liberal media followers" at the neighbors that are holding rocks ready to throw back at them... Well now their panes are full of holes, and they still don't see that its a bad idea. That makes them stupid hypocrits IMO.

September 2nd, 2007, 06:09 PM	#237 (permalink)
John Cocktoston Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 375	To the extent that either of you care, you're both misspelling "hypocrite". I'm not a fan of the online spelling and punctuation police and I point it out in this instance solely because you're both positively correlating intelligence with liberalism and I'd hate to see you look silly doing it...

September 2nd, 2007, 09:06 PM	#240 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 566	I'm all for term limits. I would love to term limit my personal Congressman, Tom Tancredo. He is a professional politician. I agree. I don't think the framers wanted this sort of thing to happen, whether it be Ted Kennedy or Larry Craig. Thanks for the spelling help, JC. Drew, both parties are flawed. Of course. We all see that. But the Republican Party is bought and paid for by the transnational corporations. The Congress voted 411-3 to stop this Mexican truck deal from going thru (part of NAFTA, which Clinton got passed). And yet it is going to happen anyway. Why? Because Bush wants it to. He is all about cheap labor. That translates into more profits for the corporations that own him. The Repubs are the worse party because they didn't stand up to Bush on the Iraq War OR on illegal immigration. Why? Because they are also controlled by the lobbyists and special interest groups like the pharmaceutical companies. Sure it would be great if there was a third party, a reform party. But there isn't. The only hope is to fix the Democratic Party. I'm in the Edwards camp right now. Kucinich represents me just about perfectly but he has no shot because the corporate media makes him look like a clown. They discount him at every turn even though he says the right things.