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Roxpert · June 28th, 2007, 10:53 PM

Sosa is under more steroid suspicion than Thomas, so I think it may be held against him and he might not get in. Also, keep in mind that Sosa got the bulk of his homers in a small 4 year period, which will be in doubt by writers.

Sosa eventually gets in HOF either by the writers or veteran's committee, but I think Thomas gets in more easily.

John Cocktoston · June 28th, 2007, 10:54 PM

The fact that there is a discussion about whether or not Biggio deserves to be inducted into the HOF pisses me off about as much as the fact that Buck O'Neil died before he got in. That was an absolute travesty and the BBWA, veterans committee and everyone related to the HOF should be ashamed of themselves.

Roxpert · June 28th, 2007, 10:56 PM

Biggio will be a 1st ballot HOFer, of that I have little doubt. Thomas probably gets in after a few ballots. Sosa takes longer, or has to be inducted through the veterans committee.

Dante Bichette · June 28th, 2007, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxpert

Sosa is under more steroid suspicion than Thomas, so I think it may be held against him and he might not get in. Also, keep in mind that Sosa got the bulk of his homers in a small 4 year period, which will be in doubt by writers.

Sosa eventually gets in HOF either by the writers or veteran's committee, but I think Thomas gets in more easily.

I wasn't saying that Thomas is under any steroid suspicions, but that his numbers may be closely examined due to the whole "live ball era." He was a two dimensional player, he hit for power and average, in an era where a lot of players did that.

I think a lot of players from this era will face this kind of scrutiny, whether from steroids suspicions or not. Offensive numbers from the last 15 years or so just aren't what they used to be, and baseball writers in particular seem to think that it is their responsibilty to stand up for players of the past and give more merit to past accomplishments than those of today.

Thomas may very well be the first player to face this situation. He could be the first guy with great offensive numbers who didn't face steroid allegations to receive lots of srutiny and debate.

DieHardRoxFan · June 28th, 2007, 11:05 PM

Biggio is a shoo in. We came very close to getting him, wouldn't that have been something.

Roxpert · June 28th, 2007, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Bichette

I wasn't saying that Thomas is under any steroid suspicions, but that his numbers may be closely examined due to the whole "live ball era." He was a two dimensional player, he hit for power and average, in an era where a lot of players did that.

I know you weren't, but Thomas was 3 dimensional, not two. He had great patience and OBP from the get-go. He set some sort of record of consecutive .300 seasons to go along with 100 walks and 100 RBIs to start off his career. He was Albert Pujols.......before Albert Pujols, and will be remembered for that. That's why he's a HOFer.

John Cocktoston · June 28th, 2007, 11:10 PM

If that's the case, Thomas would truly be getting the shaft.

You look at pictures of Barry at ASU and Pittsburgh, or even McGwire during the 1984 Olympics and they look like little kid versions of themselves. Same with Sosa when he was in Chicago (AL) and Texas.

Frank Thomas in college? He was a big, scary looking 6'5' 260LB ******* who played tight end at Auburn.

Newman · July 2nd, 2007, 01:00 PM

I don't get why Frank Thomas gets a pass on the steroids question. He was big to begin with? So? He was a football player at Auburn. All those guys were probably taking steroids back then, don't we think? So why wouldn't Frank have done them?

We just seem to assume that Junior and ARod didn't take steroids. Why is that? I put everyone under suspicion. Just because you don't have a body like wrestler Chris Benoit does that mean you didn't take steroids?

Did G. Mota, the pitcher, have a body like that?

And who was that fast slap hitter for Detroit that got busted for steroids awhile back? He didn't look like a wrestler.

Baseball is big bu$ine$$ now. Chicks dig the long ball. Offense $ells hot dogs and beer. Does baseball really check for steroids? Which ones? When? How come names are never mentioned, or test times? Do we really believe in the tests? How many players use HGH? What's the speculation on that? Has George Mitchell subpoenaed one player so far, besides Giambi? Are they really trying to get to the bottom of anything?

And so it goes...

indianadrew · July 2nd, 2007, 05:25 PM

"Are they really trying to get to the bottom of anything?"

of course they're not. they dont care. barry bonds is going to start in the allstar game!!!! that is the next best thing to complete vindication. the fans approval.

Newman · July 4th, 2007, 11:10 AM

Half way point of the season has passed.

We are 41 - 43 .488 after 84 games and 7.5 games out of first, in 4th place, with many teams to leapfrog over to make the playoffs.

So what else is new?

We had some fun this season, taking a series from the Bosox and sweeping the Yanks. Then we had that horrendous week where Tulo was the hero, no, Fuentes was the goat.

What's the overview? Atkins is starting to hit like we thought he should. Helton is doing worse than we had hoped. We've lost our closer temporarily. Starting pitching is shakey.

We won't make the playoffs again.

What was the last year that we made the playoffs? I know we've had a losing record in 8 of the past 9 years.

It's hard to be a fan of mediocrity. It's also hard to just sit back and enjoy Barry Bonds as he breaks Hank's record, and pretend that steroids isn't a factor. I heard this attitude once again on espn radio this morning. Ugh.

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GerryInCS · July 4th, 2007, 11:22 AM

The sooner Barry breaks the record, the sooner I don't have to see his fat, tired, old ass everynight on Sportcenter and Baseball Tonight. I couldn't care less if he breaks the record as it will always be tarnished in my eyes. After Barroid retires, the record will stand only as long as it takes A-Rod to break it, which should happen in about 8 years barring any serious injuries to A-Rod.

indianadrew · July 4th, 2007, 01:17 PM

American wins we have a new hotdog eating champ. all hail joey chestnut. i personally thought kobayashi was going to win again. hey newman how many dogs can you pound in 12 minutes?

Newman · July 4th, 2007, 09:33 PM

indianadrew · July 6th, 2007, 04:15 PM

The Dodgers Against the Reds: Brooklyn's 1953 Team was Better Than Cincinnati's 1975 Team

i thought this was a neat article. i am not sure how they would come to this conclusion though, but a cool concept none the less.

indianadrew · July 6th, 2007, 08:21 PM

any of yall ever try miller chill? it is millers new beer with a hint of lime and salt. its pretty good.

July 2nd, 2007, 05:25 PM	#144 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 698	"Are they really trying to get to the bottom of anything?" of course they're not. they dont care. barry bonds is going to start in the allstar game!!!! that is the next best thing to complete vindication. the fans approval. Last edited by indianadrew; July 4th, 2007 at 01:57 PM.

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GerryInCS New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 635	The sooner Barry breaks the record, the sooner I don't have to see his fat, tired, old ass everynight on Sportcenter and Baseball Tonight. I couldn't care less if he breaks the record as it will always be tarnished in my eyes. After Barroid retires, the record will stand only as long as it takes A-Rod to break it, which should happen in about 8 years barring any serious injuries to A-Rod. __________________ Americans aren't afraid of Mexicans, Americans are afraid that Mexicans are turning America into Mexico.

July 4th, 2007, 01:17 PM	#147 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 698	all hail the new champ American wins we have a new hotdog eating champ. all hail joey chestnut. i personally thought kobayashi was going to win again. hey newman how many dogs can you pound in 12 minutes? Last edited by indianadrew; July 4th, 2007 at 01:28 PM.

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Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 566	67 Last edited by Newman; July 4th, 2007 at 10:12 PM.

July 6th, 2007, 08:21 PM	#150 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 698	new beer any of yall ever try miller chill? it is millers new beer with a hint of lime and salt. its pretty good.

June 28th, 2007, 10:53 PM	#136 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	Sosa is under more steroid suspicion than Thomas, so I think it may be held against him and he might not get in. Also, keep in mind that Sosa got the bulk of his homers in a small 4 year period, which will be in doubt by writers. Sosa eventually gets in HOF either by the writers or veteran's committee, but I think Thomas gets in more easily.

June 28th, 2007, 10:54 PM	#137 (permalink)
John Cocktoston Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 375	The fact that there is a discussion about whether or not Biggio deserves to be inducted into the HOF pisses me off about as much as the fact that Buck O'Neil died before he got in. That was an absolute travesty and the BBWA, veterans committee and everyone related to the HOF should be ashamed of themselves.

June 28th, 2007, 10:56 PM	#138 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	Biggio will be a 1st ballot HOFer, of that I have little doubt. Thomas probably gets in after a few ballots. Sosa takes longer, or has to be inducted through the veterans committee.

June 28th, 2007, 11:05 PM	#140 (permalink)
DieHardRoxFan Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Biggio is a shoo in. We came very close to getting him, wouldn't that have been something.

June 28th, 2007, 11:10 PM	#142 (permalink)
John Cocktoston Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 375	If that's the case, Thomas would truly be getting the shaft. You look at pictures of Barry at ASU and Pittsburgh, or even McGwire during the 1984 Olympics and they look like little kid versions of themselves. Same with Sosa when he was in Chicago (AL) and Texas. Frank Thomas in college? He was a big, scary looking 6'5' 260LB ******* who played tight end at Auburn.

July 2nd, 2007, 01:00 PM	#143 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 566	I don't get why Frank Thomas gets a pass on the steroids question. He was big to begin with? So? He was a football player at Auburn. All those guys were probably taking steroids back then, don't we think? So why wouldn't Frank have done them? We just seem to assume that Junior and ARod didn't take steroids. Why is that? I put everyone under suspicion. Just because you don't have a body like wrestler Chris Benoit does that mean you didn't take steroids? Did G. Mota, the pitcher, have a body like that? And who was that fast slap hitter for Detroit that got busted for steroids awhile back? He didn't look like a wrestler. Baseball is big bu$ine$$ now. Chicks dig the long ball. Offense $ells hot dogs and beer. Does baseball really check for steroids? Which ones? When? How come names are never mentioned, or test times? Do we really believe in the tests? How many players use HGH? What's the speculation on that? Has George Mitchell subpoenaed one player so far, besides Giambi? Are they really trying to get to the bottom of anything? And so it goes...

July 4th, 2007, 11:10 AM	#145 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 566	Half way point of the season has passed. We are 41 - 43 .488 after 84 games and 7.5 games out of first, in 4th place, with many teams to leapfrog over to make the playoffs. So what else is new? We had some fun this season, taking a series from the Bosox and sweeping the Yanks. Then we had that horrendous week where Tulo was the hero, no, Fuentes was the goat. What's the overview? Atkins is starting to hit like we thought he should. Helton is doing worse than we had hoped. We've lost our closer temporarily. Starting pitching is shakey. We won't make the playoffs again. What was the last year that we made the playoffs? I know we've had a losing record in 8 of the past 9 years. It's hard to be a fan of mediocrity. It's also hard to just sit back and enjoy Barry Bonds as he breaks Hank's record, and pretend that steroids isn't a factor. I heard this attitude once again on espn radio this morning. Ugh. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Happy Independence Day? Scooter Libby is free. The system works?

July 6th, 2007, 04:15 PM	#149 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 698	The Dodgers Against the Reds: Brooklyn's 1953 Team was Better Than Cincinnati's 1975 Team i thought this was a neat article. i am not sure how they would come to this conclusion though, but a cool concept none the less.

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