2008 Prospect Rankings - Page 4

BSandlinUF · 03-08-2008, 04:54 PM

IF you read the initial article about minor league ranking systems you would see the author "hating" on Robert Mosebach. To quote "Note how many complete no-names are on this list...Robert Mosebach is ranked well ahead of Homer Bailey. Who is Robert Mosebach, you ask? Exactly." This infers that Mosebach has no business being apart of the prospect list he is speaking of. Hopefully that will educate you and maybe you can post thought out responses to other people's opinions.

And I doubt tdub is a AA entourage seeing he's from WPB, the hometown of Mosebach; probably just a childhood friend who knows how good Mosebach might really be.

So before you go attacking people personally on a website, think about what you are saying. Oh, and for his stats, 11-7 is not a bad record. I realize it is not the start of most Hall of Famers, but is solid.

If you are an Angels fan, you might know Francisco Rodriguez. He has been a solid reliever/closer for the Angels since he came up and has been key for them in clutch playoff games, he throws hard and throws strikes. Check out his stats.....

Francisco Rodriguez Statistics - The Baseball Cube

The W/L record is not that impressive at first glance, but he doesn't walk many batters and his S/O are high, now look at Mosebach, maybe you will see that stats are not everything. I think Mosebach needs a little more time to harness his full potential and then he will make an impact in the Angels rotation or most likely in the Bullpen.

I know some of those prospects on the list under Mosebach, and under many others for that matter, have made it to the Big League already,but that doesn't mean the players ranked higher than them are not equal or better prospects. The key word being PROSPECT!!!!!!!!

indianadrew · 03-08-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BSandlinUF

And I doubt tdub is a AA entourage seeing he's from WPB, the hometown of Mosebach; probably just a childhood friend who knows how good Mosebach might really be.

So before you go attacking people personally on a website, think about what you are saying.

that would make him AA entourage, seeing how his "dog" mosebach is AA.

please show me where i attacked anyone personally or as a dearly departed former poster on this board would say "ad homin" attack.

by the way..are you his agent?

RIP roxpert

Heltonfan · 03-09-2008, 11:13 AM

All that effort spent on defending a total non-prospect, complete with the nonsensical use of W-L record (which is about as relevant as a pitcher's astrological sign) and Francisco Rodriguez (whose numbers are absolutely fantastic) to defend the claim that "numbers aren't everything"? This is something to laugh at, Drew, not something to get defensive about.

BSandlinUF · 03-16-2008, 04:28 PM

Umm, if a 16-18 record in the minors as a starter is outstanding, then yes K-Rod's numbers were outstanding. But that is the point I was trying to make, as a starter in the minors his W/L record was not that impressive, but as a reliever in the majors his stats have been top notch. So if you read carefully, which seems to be a problem for people using this site, you will see that I was saying that a bad W-L record in the minors does not mean a player can not make an impact at the top level. So I was not pumping his W/L as a sign for his success, I stated that it doesn't mean much, so thanks for agreeing with me.

Now that you guys have spent some time thinking about Mosebach, you will recognize his name when he comes in, in the 7th or 8th inning as a set-up guy for the Angels either late this season or next year.

Remember, always read and think critically about what people are saying before you respond, because you might not know what you're talking about. For example, describing Francisco Rodriguez's minor league record, which I referred to in my previous post, of 16-18 as outstanding.

Heltonfan · 03-17-2008, 12:04 AM

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For example, describing Francisco Rodriguez's minor league record, which I referred to in my previous post, of 16-18 as outstanding.

I wasn't describing his W-L record, I was describing his actual performance. Which was in fact outstanding. Mosebach, however, is a fringe prospect at best because he doesn't strike anyone out.

tdubwpb23 · 05-09-2008, 04:34 PM

About time someone else saw it my way. And yes, I have been Bob's friend since 2nd grade and I always knew he would make it. He's been pretty good as of late, besides the 2 bad starts where he got singled to death. Only CG in Texas League so far this year. He will be on the mound today @ 7 PM.

Minor League Baseball: Stats: Player

He's still got work to do but he has all the skills to make it to the bigs and be a contributor to the Angels franchise.

Heltonfan · 05-10-2008, 01:03 AM

An update, just because I can.

First, here is the current Rockies Top 30 list, as seen by the ProspectBot:

1. Ian Stewart
2. Dexter Fowler
3. Greg Reynolds
4. Hector Gomez
5. Eric Young
6. Chris Nelson
7. Brandon Hynick
8. Darin Holcomb
9. Aneury Rodriguez
10. Chaz Roe
11. Michael McKenry
12. Everth Cabrera
13. Shane Lindsay
14. Xavier Cedeno
15. Brian Rike
16. Daniel Mayora
17. Michael Mitchell
18. Cory Riordan
19. Jhoulys Chacin
20. Helder Velazquez
21. Will Harris
22. Jonathan Herrera
23. Seth Smith
24. Ching Lung Lo
25. Joe Koshansky
26. Kevin Clark
27. Casey Weathers
28. Daniel Carte
29. Connor Graham
30. Corey Wimberly

A few new names on there. Riordan and Graham are our early-season pitching sensations; the ProspectBot didn't like them going into the season because they both got hit fairly hard in their pro debuts, but they have both been dominant at Asheville thus far. Michael Mitchell is a speedy CF drafted last year he's currently hitting .347/.389/.534 with 12 SB. Not too shabby. And his teammates at Asheville, Holcomb and Rike, have each jumped up seven spots over their pre-season ranking.

Franklin Morales, of course, has officially graduated from prospectdom. Note also that the ProspectBot hated Jayson Nix more than anyone else did, myself included... I suppose it deserves some credit there.

A few posts above, I provided the names of the four players that the ProspectBot likes the most, and dislikes the most, compared to other rankings. Here are those names again:

ProspectBot favorites: Kevin Mulvey, Aaron Laffey, Will Inman, Jair Jurrjens
Goldstein/Law favorites: Angel Villalona, Manny Parra, Carlos Carrasco, Eric Hurley

The first thing to note is that none of the Goldstein/Law favorites have really impressed thus far. Villalona is hitting .198/.271/.321. Parra has a 22/17 K/BB and has gotten slaughtered on BABIP. Carrasco is off to a solid start in AA, but he's given up 5 HR in 36 IP. Hurley has a sparkling K rate, but has surrendered 8 HR in 36 IP. No real progress there.

As for the ProspectBot favorites... Mulvey's story is the same as Hurley's, with K rate progress being more than offset by an increased HR rate. Laffey has a 3.76 FIP between AAA and the majors... he's a definite success story. Inman has performed exactly as projected, which is to say that his MLEs have been solid (4.86 FIP, 3.84 ERC) but they don't represent any real progress. And then, there's Jair Jurrjens, who has been one of the best pitchers in the NL thus far (2.78 FIP, 2.32 ERC).

So the wisdom of the ProspectBot seems to be holding up. It ain't perfect, but it still appears to be at least as good as anything else.

03-08-2008, 04:54 PM	#46 (permalink)
BSandlinUF New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2	Read the Initial Article IF you read the initial article about minor league ranking systems you would see the author "hating" on Robert Mosebach. To quote "Note how many complete no-names are on this list...Robert Mosebach is ranked well ahead of Homer Bailey. Who is Robert Mosebach, you ask? Exactly." This infers that Mosebach has no business being apart of the prospect list he is speaking of. Hopefully that will educate you and maybe you can post thought out responses to other people's opinions. And I doubt tdub is a AA entourage seeing he's from WPB, the hometown of Mosebach; probably just a childhood friend who knows how good Mosebach might really be. So before you go attacking people personally on a website, think about what you are saying. Oh, and for his stats, 11-7 is not a bad record. I realize it is not the start of most Hall of Famers, but is solid. If you are an Angels fan, you might know Francisco Rodriguez. He has been a solid reliever/closer for the Angels since he came up and has been key for them in clutch playoff games, he throws hard and throws strikes. Check out his stats..... Francisco Rodriguez Statistics - The Baseball Cube The W/L record is not that impressive at first glance, but he doesn't walk many batters and his S/O are high, now look at Mosebach, maybe you will see that stats are not everything. I think Mosebach needs a little more time to harness his full potential and then he will make an impact in the Angels rotation or most likely in the Bullpen. I know some of those prospects on the list under Mosebach, and under many others for that matter, have made it to the Big League already,but that doesn't mean the players ranked higher than them are not equal or better prospects. The key word being PROSPECT!!!!!!!!

03-16-2008, 04:28 PM	#49 (permalink)
BSandlinUF New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2	Look Again Umm, if a 16-18 record in the minors as a starter is outstanding, then yes K-Rod's numbers were outstanding. But that is the point I was trying to make, as a starter in the minors his W/L record was not that impressive, but as a reliever in the majors his stats have been top notch. So if you read carefully, which seems to be a problem for people using this site, you will see that I was saying that a bad W-L record in the minors does not mean a player can not make an impact at the top level. So I was not pumping his W/L as a sign for his success, I stated that it doesn't mean much, so thanks for agreeing with me. Now that you guys have spent some time thinking about Mosebach, you will recognize his name when he comes in, in the 7th or 8th inning as a set-up guy for the Angels either late this season or next year. Remember, always read and think critically about what people are saying before you respond, because you might not know what you're talking about. For example, describing Francisco Rodriguez's minor league record, which I referred to in my previous post, of 16-18 as outstanding.

03-09-2008, 11:13 AM	#48 (permalink)
Heltonfan Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 841	All that effort spent on defending a total non-prospect, complete with the nonsensical use of W-L record (which is about as relevant as a pitcher's astrological sign) and Francisco Rodriguez (whose numbers are absolutely fantastic) to defend the claim that "numbers aren't everything"? This is something to laugh at, Drew, not something to get defensive about.

05-09-2008, 04:34 PM	#51 (permalink)
tdubwpb23 New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2	About time someone else saw it my way. And yes, I have been Bob's friend since 2nd grade and I always knew he would make it. He's been pretty good as of late, besides the 2 bad starts where he got singled to death. Only CG in Texas League so far this year. He will be on the mound today @ 7 PM. Minor League Baseball: Stats: Player He's still got work to do but he has all the skills to make it to the bigs and be a contributor to the Angels franchise.

05-10-2008, 01:03 AM	#52 (permalink)
Heltonfan Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 841	An update, just because I can. First, here is the current Rockies Top 30 list, as seen by the ProspectBot: 1. Ian Stewart 2. Dexter Fowler 3. Greg Reynolds 4. Hector Gomez 5. Eric Young 6. Chris Nelson 7. Brandon Hynick 8. Darin Holcomb 9. Aneury Rodriguez 10. Chaz Roe 11. Michael McKenry 12. Everth Cabrera 13. Shane Lindsay 14. Xavier Cedeno 15. Brian Rike 16. Daniel Mayora 17. Michael Mitchell 18. Cory Riordan 19. Jhoulys Chacin 20. Helder Velazquez 21. Will Harris 22. Jonathan Herrera 23. Seth Smith 24. Ching Lung Lo 25. Joe Koshansky 26. Kevin Clark 27. Casey Weathers 28. Daniel Carte 29. Connor Graham 30. Corey Wimberly A few new names on there. Riordan and Graham are our early-season pitching sensations; the ProspectBot didn't like them going into the season because they both got hit fairly hard in their pro debuts, but they have both been dominant at Asheville thus far. Michael Mitchell is a speedy CF drafted last year he's currently hitting .347/.389/.534 with 12 SB. Not too shabby. And his teammates at Asheville, Holcomb and Rike, have each jumped up seven spots over their pre-season ranking. Franklin Morales, of course, has officially graduated from prospectdom. Note also that the ProspectBot hated Jayson Nix more than anyone else did, myself included... I suppose it deserves some credit there. A few posts above, I provided the names of the four players that the ProspectBot likes the most, and dislikes the most, compared to other rankings. Here are those names again: ProspectBot favorites: Kevin Mulvey, Aaron Laffey, Will Inman, Jair Jurrjens Goldstein/Law favorites: Angel Villalona, Manny Parra, Carlos Carrasco, Eric Hurley The first thing to note is that none of the Goldstein/Law favorites have really impressed thus far. Villalona is hitting .198/.271/.321. Parra has a 22/17 K/BB and has gotten slaughtered on BABIP. Carrasco is off to a solid start in AA, but he's given up 5 HR in 36 IP. Hurley has a sparkling K rate, but has surrendered 8 HR in 36 IP. No real progress there. As for the ProspectBot favorites... Mulvey's story is the same as Hurley's, with K rate progress being more than offset by an increased HR rate. Laffey has a 3.76 FIP between AAA and the majors... he's a definite success story. Inman has performed exactly as projected, which is to say that his MLEs have been solid (4.86 FIP, 3.84 ERC) but they don't represent any real progress. And then, there's Jair Jurrjens, who has been one of the best pitchers in the NL thus far (2.78 FIP, 2.32 ERC). So the wisdom of the ProspectBot seems to be holding up. It ain't perfect, but it still appears to be at least as good as anything else.