We don't get the national respect that is due

Newman · 10-21-2007, 10:10 AM

Watching the Sports Reporters this morning as usual.

Game 7 Bosox v. Indians is being discussed, of course, that's ok.

Jake Westbrook (former Rockie) will be pitching tonite v. Dice K.

I can't stand the East Coast bias. I wonder why that is bugging me so much right now. It never used to bother me. I think it's because THEY don't seem to understand the importance of the HUMIDOR and that we are no longer playing pinball up here at altitude anymore. They always take the easy way out and laugh at us. It's snowing right now. How long will it take for them to mention that, and laugh at us for that, as if they have great baseball weather in Boston in late October?

Q: what did Jimmy Roberts say in the opening about our Rockies? Some smirking comment about selling out all the seats? Hello? We led the league in attendance for 7 straight years, Jimbo! Don't we still own the record for highest attendance in a single season, some 4 million plus?

I hate it when the media gets lazy.

ASIDE: Paul Byrd took HGH? Where does it stop? He's a soft tosser. "If they're not gonna test for it, they're gonna do it." Mitch Albom. As usual he's spot on. They don't test for HGH. It would take a blood test with a needle. Gasp. Would we actually force Barry Bonds to insert a needle in his pristine body? <sarcasm>. And what if they found that his cholesterol was high? Wouldn't that benefit the player as well? But the UNION stands in the way...

Newman · 10-21-2007, 11:42 AM

The national media aims for the casual fan. Their topics are Manny being Manny or the firing of Joe Torre. I understand. They don't want to talk about minutae like should the Rox activate Cook to replace Morales. I get that.

Still, it's annoying that it just seems de rigeur to laugh at the Rockies, at baseball at altitude, at the snow, whatever...

indianadrew · 10-21-2007, 11:52 AM

i dont now about the rest of the country, but i can speak for indianapolis. i think that the entire country wants the rox to win with the exception of cleveland or boston. they interviewed holliday before thursdays game and tulo before last nights. clint hurdle was on jim rome this week.

newman i think that the rox are getting their props on a national level, you just might not see it.

i dont know about you guys, but i cant wait until wednesday.

BigRapidsJackass · 10-21-2007, 01:51 PM

Here's the Paul Byrd, HGH Fiend, story:

Cleveland pitcher spent thousands on human growth hormone

Like maybe half a dozen other baseballthinkfactory.org readers, I had just read this a couple days ago, and kind of agreed with the blogger who thought: "Paul Byrd, there's a Christian athlete I can respect."

crashburnalley.com » An Atheist’s Take on Paul Byrd

Oops.

There's a Christian jackass I have zero respect for.

bedir than average · 10-21-2007, 02:07 PM

I don't think this is an issue of respect, I mean really covering the game being played or the team that has gotten to rest and relax for the longest time in MLB history?

Here in Seattle the Rox are getting a lot of respect from radio hosts and what not. Specifically the fact that a team built around youth has made it while our club refused to play one of the most talent player in all of baseball (Adam Jones).

Roxpert · 10-21-2007, 02:26 PM

It's the National League that seems to have gotten the short-shrift of respect. The NLCS games were on TBS, and aired late at night (especially on the East Coast). The ALCS games are on the Fox Network, a broadcasting rather than a cable network, and Fox is more experienced covering playoff baseball. The start times have been better for fans too.

So, I'm not so sure it's the Rox that are being ignored by national media as it is the whole Senior Circuit. MLB has been marketed by ESPN and the rest of the national media as the Yankees and Red Sox over the past few years, and the rest of teams in the game have been given short shrift compared to them. Hopefully, that changes in the next few years with the emergence of new talent and upstart teams like the Rockies and Indians.

BigRapidsJackass · 10-21-2007, 05:31 PM

Roxpert, I think you're right. I know you used to live in the Bay Area ... I remember the incredible yawns that accompanied the '89 Giants-A's World Series. The only thing that made people pay attention was the earthquake.

And those were two interesting team, particularly the A's (Canseco, McGwire, etc.). Ratings were poor and the national media wrote it off as a thing of purely local interest. Not even So Cal (which just had the Dodgers win the year before) mustered much enthusiasm.

Fast forward to 2001. A similarly local affair -- Yankees vs. Mets -- was on the cover of Time magazine before it even started.

So when people write off a series as "lacking interest" for most of the country, they're just saying that the following clubs aren't involved:

Yankees
Red Sox
Cubs
Dodgers
Mets

Really, that's it. The White Sox didn't even generate that much excitement as they're purely a local Chicago thing (unlike the Cubs). Same thing with the Phils. Would the national sports media be more excited if it were the D'backs? The Reds? I don't think so.

If the Red Sox take Game 7 tonight, all of a sudden the national interest is there. Baseball is like most sports in that respect. NBA: who cared about the Spurs? It was LeBron vs. whoever. NHL? Unless the Rangers/Bruins/Kings make it, hockey remains a minor league attraction. The NFL is the only league that seems to generate just as much interest whether it's the Giants or the Rams representing the NFC. So we shouldn't really feel sorry for ourselves. That's life in modern American sports. There aren't that many baseball fanatics like us out there; the mass audience is found among the millions who own Yankees/Red Sox/Cubs caps but who don't really know who the players are.

John Cocktoston · 10-22-2007, 12:32 AM

You're probably right that they Rockies don't get the respect they deserve in the national media. Then again, they don't get the respect they deserve in the local media, so who's surprised by that?

They've got a golden chance to change all of that, though. You beat the Red Sox in the World Series and, in the mind of everyone from the casual fan to the baseball insiders, you've earned the rings.

Nat · 10-22-2007, 01:05 AM

I think, at the least, noone will confuse the Rockies & their fans with the Marlins and their already-forgotten championships.

John F · 10-22-2007, 03:08 PM

I'm rooting for the Rox in the series in part because the Rockies have been dissed by the National media. Joe Torre has been more newsworthy to BSPN (Bristol/Bronx/Boston = B) than Colorado's reaction to the Rockies in the Series.

The day you guys clinched it -- mobile media (news as presented through mobile devices) played up other things happening in the country and made no mention of the Rockies clinching.

There's too much of a Northeast fixation on sports news. You can see it in most professional sports. When you get west of Philadelphia or south of Washington DC -- the news is moot unless it's college football or a key player that is a sensation (Kobe Bryant, Brett Farve, etc).

The Rockies are the latest victim of this... Relegated to a mostly non-sports basic cable channel to begin with (TBS), lack of news coverage and what not. It's garbage and you deserve better. You deserve a hell of a lot better.

Hand Boston their ass for me, will you?

John F · 10-22-2007, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nat

I think, at the least, noone will confuse the Rockies & their fans with the Marlins and their already-forgotten championships.

No one could if they tried.

70,000 fans watched the Rockies at Mile High when they were an expansion team... The Marlins never came close to that. The Marlins had to buy their championship 10 years ago and the fans STILL didn't show up during the year.

The Rox got Coors Field built and the Marlins? They're still playing in Pro Dolphins Robbie Stadium

Newman · 10-22-2007, 09:00 PM

Well it doesn't help any, respect wise, when we can't even figure out how to sell World Series tickets online! What a fiasco. Was Monfort trying to save money by hiring a high school IT kid to run the program? What a joke.

I'm glad I didn't spend all morning trying to spend hundreds of dollars for $20 tickets.

Q: how come if you sell a $4 Rockpile ticket for $65 on the street it's called scalping and you go to jail. But if you're Monfort you can do it legally (if you can figure out the internet) and no one seems to mind? Just wondering.

John Cocktoston · 10-22-2007, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newman

Q: how come if you sell a $4 Rockpile ticket for $65 on the street it's called scalping and you go to jail. But if you're Monfort you can do it legally (if you can figure out the internet) and no one seems to mind? Just wondering.

I assume you're trying to be funny and aren't oblivious to the fact that postseason ticket prices are set by Bud Selig and Friends in NY. You do know that, right?

wolf213 · 10-22-2007, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newman

Well it doesn't help any, respect wise, when we can't even figure out how to sell World Series tickets online! What a fiasco. Was Monfort trying to save money by hiring a high school IT kid to run the program? What a joke.

I'm glad I didn't spend all morning trying to spend hundreds of dollars for $20 tickets.

Q: how come if you sell a $4 Rockpile ticket for $65 on the street it's called scalping and you go to jail. But if you're Monfort you can do it legally (if you can figure out the internet) and no one seems to mind? Just wondering.

Probably because when you own the team you can set whatever prices you want, and the fact that Playoff tickets aren't set by the Monforts, they are set by MLB.

Newman · 10-22-2007, 10:47 PM

The sentiment remains.

Why is MLB allowed to jack up the prices of tickets some 10 fold or more during the playoffs or world series? What's the difference with the scalper on the street? Why are we outraged at the street scalper but not at MLB?

This is a philosophical question.

10-21-2007, 10:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 500	We don't get the national respect that is due Watching the Sports Reporters this morning as usual. Game 7 Bosox v. Indians is being discussed, of course, that's ok. Jake Westbrook (former Rockie) will be pitching tonite v. Dice K. I can't stand the East Coast bias. I wonder why that is bugging me so much right now. It never used to bother me. I think it's because THEY don't seem to understand the importance of the HUMIDOR and that we are no longer playing pinball up here at altitude anymore. They always take the easy way out and laugh at us. It's snowing right now. How long will it take for them to mention that, and laugh at us for that, as if they have great baseball weather in Boston in late October? Q: what did Jimmy Roberts say in the opening about our Rockies? Some smirking comment about selling out all the seats? Hello? We led the league in attendance for 7 straight years, Jimbo! Don't we still own the record for highest attendance in a single season, some 4 million plus? I hate it when the media gets lazy. ASIDE: Paul Byrd took HGH? Where does it stop? He's a soft tosser. "If they're not gonna test for it, they're gonna do it." Mitch Albom. As usual he's spot on. They don't test for HGH. It would take a blood test with a needle. Gasp. Would we actually force Barry Bonds to insert a needle in his pristine body? <sarcasm>. And what if they found that his cholesterol was high? Wouldn't that benefit the player as well? But the UNION stands in the way...

10-21-2007, 02:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	I don't think this is an issue of respect, I mean really covering the game being played or the team that has gotten to rest and relax for the longest time in MLB history? Here in Seattle the Rox are getting a lot of respect from radio hosts and what not. Specifically the fact that a team built around youth has made it while our club refused to play one of the most talent player in all of baseball (Adam Jones). __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

10-22-2007, 03:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,497	I'm rooting for the Rox in the series in part because the Rockies have been dissed by the National media. Joe Torre has been more newsworthy to BSPN (Bristol/Bronx/Boston = B) than Colorado's reaction to the Rockies in the Series. The day you guys clinched it -- mobile media (news as presented through mobile devices) played up other things happening in the country and made no mention of the Rockies clinching. There's too much of a Northeast fixation on sports news. You can see it in most professional sports. When you get west of Philadelphia or south of Washington DC -- the news is moot unless it's college football or a key player that is a sensation (Kobe Bryant, Brett Farve, etc). The Rockies are the latest victim of this... Relegated to a mostly non-sports basic cable channel to begin with (TBS), lack of news coverage and what not. It's garbage and you deserve better. You deserve a hell of a lot better. Hand Boston their ass for me, will you? __________________ The more they over think the plumbing, the easier to stop up the drain.

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10-21-2007, 11:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 500	The national media aims for the casual fan. Their topics are Manny being Manny or the firing of Joe Torre. I understand. They don't want to talk about minutae like should the Rox activate Cook to replace Morales. I get that. Still, it's annoying that it just seems de rigeur to laugh at the Rockies, at baseball at altitude, at the snow, whatever...

10-21-2007, 11:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 507	i dont now about the rest of the country, but i can speak for indianapolis. i think that the entire country wants the rox to win with the exception of cleveland or boston. they interviewed holliday before thursdays game and tulo before last nights. clint hurdle was on jim rome this week. newman i think that the rox are getting their props on a national level, you just might not see it. i dont know about you guys, but i cant wait until wednesday.

10-21-2007, 01:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
BigRapidsJackass Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,069	Here's the Paul Byrd, HGH Fiend, story: Cleveland pitcher spent thousands on human growth hormone Like maybe half a dozen other baseballthinkfactory.org readers, I had just read this a couple days ago, and kind of agreed with the blogger who thought: "Paul Byrd, there's a Christian athlete I can respect." crashburnalley.com » An Atheist’s Take on Paul Byrd Oops. There's a Christian jackass I have zero respect for.

10-21-2007, 02:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,008	It's the National League that seems to have gotten the short-shrift of respect. The NLCS games were on TBS, and aired late at night (especially on the East Coast). The ALCS games are on the Fox Network, a broadcasting rather than a cable network, and Fox is more experienced covering playoff baseball. The start times have been better for fans too. So, I'm not so sure it's the Rox that are being ignored by national media as it is the whole Senior Circuit. MLB has been marketed by ESPN and the rest of the national media as the Yankees and Red Sox over the past few years, and the rest of teams in the game have been given short shrift compared to them. Hopefully, that changes in the next few years with the emergence of new talent and upstart teams like the Rockies and Indians.

10-21-2007, 05:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
BigRapidsJackass Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,069	Roxpert, I think you're right. I know you used to live in the Bay Area ... I remember the incredible yawns that accompanied the '89 Giants-A's World Series. The only thing that made people pay attention was the earthquake. And those were two interesting team, particularly the A's (Canseco, McGwire, etc.). Ratings were poor and the national media wrote it off as a thing of purely local interest. Not even So Cal (which just had the Dodgers win the year before) mustered much enthusiasm. Fast forward to 2001. A similarly local affair -- Yankees vs. Mets -- was on the cover of Time magazine before it even started. So when people write off a series as "lacking interest" for most of the country, they're just saying that the following clubs aren't involved: Yankees Red Sox Cubs Dodgers Mets Really, that's it. The White Sox didn't even generate that much excitement as they're purely a local Chicago thing (unlike the Cubs). Same thing with the Phils. Would the national sports media be more excited if it were the D'backs? The Reds? I don't think so. If the Red Sox take Game 7 tonight, all of a sudden the national interest is there. Baseball is like most sports in that respect. NBA: who cared about the Spurs? It was LeBron vs. whoever. NHL? Unless the Rangers/Bruins/Kings make it, hockey remains a minor league attraction. The NFL is the only league that seems to generate just as much interest whether it's the Giants or the Rams representing the NFC. So we shouldn't really feel sorry for ourselves. That's life in modern American sports. There aren't that many baseball fanatics like us out there; the mass audience is found among the millions who own Yankees/Red Sox/Cubs caps but who don't really know who the players are.

10-22-2007, 12:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
John Cocktoston Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 375	You're probably right that they Rockies don't get the respect they deserve in the national media. Then again, they don't get the respect they deserve in the local media, so who's surprised by that? They've got a golden chance to change all of that, though. You beat the Red Sox in the World Series and, in the mind of everyone from the casual fan to the baseball insiders, you've earned the rings.

10-22-2007, 01:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
Nat Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,021	I think, at the least, noone will confuse the Rockies & their fans with the Marlins and their already-forgotten championships.

10-22-2007, 09:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 500	Well it doesn't help any, respect wise, when we can't even figure out how to sell World Series tickets online! What a fiasco. Was Monfort trying to save money by hiring a high school IT kid to run the program? What a joke. I'm glad I didn't spend all morning trying to spend hundreds of dollars for $20 tickets. Q: how come if you sell a $4 Rockpile ticket for $65 on the street it's called scalping and you go to jail. But if you're Monfort you can do it legally (if you can figure out the internet) and no one seems to mind? Just wondering.

10-22-2007, 10:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 500	The sentiment remains. Why is MLB allowed to jack up the prices of tickets some 10 fold or more during the playoffs or world series? What's the difference with the scalper on the street? Why are we outraged at the street scalper but not at MLB? This is a philosophical question.