Borowski sucks

1Perry · 08-19-2007, 05:06 PM

Closer is where the Indians need to look to make a change. Have to feel bad for C.C. also. He should be leading the league in wins but the Indians won't support him.

If not for Vic, Grady and starting pitching the Indians would be fighting for 3rd place.

unreal654 · 08-19-2007, 08:51 PM

i think the team needs to go back to the basics, and focus on playing "smart" baseball. It's important that the players don't get frustrated about their individual stat lines looking good. The only stat that matters is the team winning percentage.

1Perry · 08-30-2007, 10:24 PM

I think it's a mathematical impossibility for Borowski to have a 1-2-3 save.

bedir than average · 08-30-2007, 10:30 PM

Could be worse, could be Rick White.

unreal654 · 08-31-2007, 11:15 AM

or the closer version of Fausto Carmona

1Perry · 08-31-2007, 07:48 PM

I had completely forgot that we did have White not long ago.

1Perry · 09-06-2007, 09:25 AM

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''Separating in that last inning was big for us,'' Tribe manager Eric Wedge said. ''It did a couple of things. We were able to stay away from Joe Borowski, and going from a one-run lead to four is like night and day.''

That doesn't sound very encouraging.

ACrank · 09-11-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Perry

That doesn't sound very encouraging.

Wedge has to trust someone else or else the bullpen is going to be the death of this team in the post season.

Having said that I really am not entirely sure what the issue is with Borowski. I mean I want the Indians to get a long term solution at closer (could be Perez), but I guess its like the Wickman issue. When Wickman was here everyone complained that he wasn't a 1-2-3 closer (& its interesting all of the talk about wanting Wickman back - never was going to happen since he left Atlanta because supposedly he didn't want to pitch in a non save situation) and now the same old arguments are being recycled with Borowski's name replacing Wickman's.

1Perry · 09-12-2007, 10:15 AM

I don't think that many wanted Wickman back. I agree that the Indians need to find a long term solution though. They need to sign a proven closer, which I doubt they do or groom someone like Perez as the long term solution.

One has to figure that we will have 3-2 or even 2-1 games going into the 9th and man, that's going to be hard to watch.

ACrank · 09-21-2007, 04:32 PM

Keep in mind there are more Borowski's out there then "proven" or "lights out closers" - saying the Indians need to sign one is infinitely more realistic then actually doing it. Until they pinpoint a successor - I wouldn't mind seeing Borowski back next season.

unreal654 · 09-21-2007, 05:14 PM

Also keep in mind you're responding over a month after the original post, back when the Tigers were still in contention and Borowski was coming off a horrid appearance vs. the Tigers followed by a blown save against the Devil Rays. Borowski has settled down a lot in the past month, dropping his ERA from 5.51 to 5.04 and picking up 8 saves while blowing only 1.

Despite his high ERA, Borowski has continued to get the job done more often than not, and I think the fans in Cleveland are finally starting to accept him as the closer.

1Perry · 09-21-2007, 05:14 PM

Like the rest of the team he certainly has improved over the last couple months.

1Perry · 09-27-2007, 01:09 AM

Just when you think he is getting it together he blows2 games. A HR to a nobody to tie the game. I really hope Wedge considers using someone else come post season.

unreal654 · 09-27-2007, 03:26 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to see Betancourt out there for the 8th and 9th in the postseason

ACrank · 09-27-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Perry

Just when you think he is getting it together he blows2 games. A HR to a nobody to tie the game. I really hope Wedge considers using someone else come post season.

If the Indians end up using a different closer in post season - the post season is lost.

08-19-2007, 05:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,385	Borowski sucks Closer is where the Indians need to look to make a change. Have to feel bad for C.C. also. He should be leading the league in wins but the Indians won't support him. If not for Vic, Grady and starting pitching the Indians would be fighting for 3rd place.

08-30-2007, 10:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	Could be worse, could be Rick White. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

09-21-2007, 05:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 325	Also keep in mind you're responding over a month after the original post, back when the Tigers were still in contention and Borowski was coming off a horrid appearance vs. the Tigers followed by a blown save against the Devil Rays. Borowski has settled down a lot in the past month, dropping his ERA from 5.51 to 5.04 and picking up 8 saves while blowing only 1. Despite his high ERA, Borowski has continued to get the job done more often than not, and I think the fans in Cleveland are finally starting to accept him as the closer. Last edited by unreal654; 09-21-2007 at 05:17 PM.

08-19-2007, 08:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 325	i think the team needs to go back to the basics, and focus on playing "smart" baseball. It's important that the players don't get frustrated about their individual stat lines looking good. The only stat that matters is the team winning percentage.

08-30-2007, 10:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,385	I think it's a mathematical impossibility for Borowski to have a 1-2-3 save.

08-31-2007, 11:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 325	or the closer version of Fausto Carmona

08-31-2007, 07:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,385	I had completely forgot that we did have White not long ago.

09-12-2007, 10:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,385	I don't think that many wanted Wickman back. I agree that the Indians need to find a long term solution though. They need to sign a proven closer, which I doubt they do or groom someone like Perez as the long term solution. One has to figure that we will have 3-2 or even 2-1 games going into the 9th and man, that's going to be hard to watch.

09-21-2007, 04:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
ACrank Rookie Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 13	Keep in mind there are more Borowski's out there then "proven" or "lights out closers" - saying the Indians need to sign one is infinitely more realistic then actually doing it. Until they pinpoint a successor - I wouldn't mind seeing Borowski back next season.

09-21-2007, 05:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,385	Like the rest of the team he certainly has improved over the last couple months.

09-27-2007, 01:09 AM	#13 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,385	Just when you think he is getting it together he blows2 games. A HR to a nobody to tie the game. I really hope Wedge considers using someone else come post season.

09-27-2007, 03:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 325	I wouldn't be surprised to see Betancourt out there for the 8th and 9th in the postseason