Borowski sucks - Page 2

unreal654 · 09-28-2007, 03:26 PM

The issue really becomes taking Perez and Betancourt out of their respective roles at a critical part of the season. They both are pitching lights out as setup men, and I would be hard pressed to change that role in the post season.

1Perry · 09-29-2007, 10:24 AM

I think Betancourt could go 8-9. Borowski had another sub par effort last night. No, he didn't blow another one but once again, two outs and he allows two runners on. With a two run lead he was one pitch from another blown save.

unreal654 · 09-29-2007, 01:08 PM

Borowski is a disaster waiting to happen, but he's been our closer all year, and we have 95 wins. This team won 95 games. We will be in a position to win games in the postseason with C.C. and Fausto heading the rotation. Hopefully we can give Borowski 2 and 3 run leads to make things easier. Regardless, the Indians have learned how to win even with a closer with a 5+ ERA. I don't care how they do it, as long as they keep on winning.

Damnitmike · 10-01-2007, 06:20 PM

Boroski just doesn't invoke alot of confidence....Man thats tough when your going into a playoff situation...

You have to start second guessing yourself....or do you???

There's my problem I have with Boroski.....

ACrank · 10-09-2007, 09:39 AM

He gets the job done, doesn't he?

And more importantly - when he doesn't get the job done he wants to ball the next time out.

Yes, the Indians need a long term solution at closer. But for this year, and for that matter, next year too, Borowski can do the job.

1Perry · 10-09-2007, 10:35 AM

He was a long fly and one pitch from blowing a three run lead. Yes, you can say he got the job done but if Posada's ball had been a few feet to the left, it's likely a different game.

He simply grooves too many balls. If it gets to the W.S. and it's a one run lead to win, I hope Betencourt comes back out. It really would matter little to Borowski's ego at that point as he isn't going to be the closer next year anyways.

The only reason he got it done last night was because the Indians got it done through the top half of the innings.

unreal654 · 10-09-2007, 12:53 PM

Wedge has sent a message to everyone, he trusts his players. Borowski is the Indians closer, and if we get to the 9th with a one-run lead against Boston, you'll surely see Borowski called upon. No doubt.

Damnitmike · 10-09-2007, 08:56 PM

And hopefully, we won't see a Boston player with a monster blast to the upper deck of the stadium.....ala Abreu.....

Man...Abreu simply creamed that pitch.....I'd bet he'll never hit another ball any harder.....

And as the announcers were saying, when Betancourt is in there and he's lights out for the hitters, it sure is hard not to leave him in another inning, isn't it....

Whats nice with this team is the options Wedgie has....the problem is knowing when the other options will be the best one...

Cali Ed · 10-10-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by unreal654

Wedge has sent a message to everyone, he trusts his players. Borowski is the Indians closer, and if we get to the 9th with a one-run lead against Boston, you'll surely see Borowski called upon. No doubt.

Unfortunately, that's the state of things right now. Stubbornness, or confidence born of experience? Just not sure right now, but whatever it is, it's the state of things with this team.

Which is why I hope, when we get to 9th innings and he's called upon, we always have at least a 2-run lead. Preferably 3. I just don't need the extra strain in my life at this point in time.

ACrank · 11-12-2007, 08:45 AM

Of course we know by now Borowski didn't blow the ALCS (like apparently every Indian fan but me thought would happen) and that his option for the next year was picked up (apparently thought to be a bad idea by most every Indian fan but me).

JMUplayer · 03-28-2008, 12:53 AM

You gonna put Bentancourt in there to implode again?

GoTribe · 04-14-2008, 11:06 PM

The Worst Closer In Baseball.

GoTribe · 04-14-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JMUplayer

You gonna put Bentancourt in there to implode again?

Reminder: Rafeal Bentancourt had the lowest ERA of any non-closer in the Majors. What's the difference which inning he's getting the three outs in?

Zen653 · 04-14-2008, 11:34 PM

I don't understand why Borowski continues to "close" games for the Indians. I'm not convinced that he even belongs in the major leagues. Did he really think he was going to beat Manny Ramirez with a 82mph fastball?

I'll take the victory, but the Indians gave this one away. Just about anyone in the Cleveland bullpen would be better than Joe Borowski. Why does Eric Wedge show so much loyalty to him?

Keser Soya · 04-15-2008, 01:54 AM

To be or not to be. That is the question. Whether it is smarter to use the hired Japanese closer that we have or to let BS (Blow Save) Borowski to allow the Indians to get their butts kicked every night. BOROWSKI SUCKS--the time has come for the Usual Suspect--Kobayashi !!!!!!!

10-01-2007, 06:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
Damnitmike Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 65	Boroski just doesn't invoke alot of confidence....Man thats tough when your going into a playoff situation... You have to start second guessing yourself....or do you??? There's my problem I have with Boroski..... __________________ Never argue with an idiot. First, they drag you down to their level. Then, they beat you with experience. Stop In To The Tribe Zone! Come Get Your Indians Toolbar! This Thing Rocks! Check it out Here!

10-09-2007, 08:56 PM	#23 (permalink)
Damnitmike Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 65	And hopefully, we won't see a Boston player with a monster blast to the upper deck of the stadium.....ala Abreu..... Man...Abreu simply creamed that pitch.....I'd bet he'll never hit another ball any harder..... And as the announcers were saying, when Betancourt is in there and he's lights out for the hitters, it sure is hard not to leave him in another inning, isn't it.... Whats nice with this team is the options Wedgie has....the problem is knowing when the other options will be the best one... __________________ Never argue with an idiot. First, they drag you down to their level. Then, they beat you with experience. Stop In To The Tribe Zone! Come Get Your Indians Toolbar! This Thing Rocks! Check it out Here!

04-14-2008, 11:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,390	I don't understand why Borowski continues to "close" games for the Indians. I'm not convinced that he even belongs in the major leagues. Did he really think he was going to beat Manny Ramirez with a 82mph fastball? I'll take the victory, but the Indians gave this one away. Just about anyone in the Cleveland bullpen would be better than Joe Borowski. Why does Eric Wedge show so much loyalty to him? __________________ My teams know how to win: 2001, 2003, 2004 Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots 2004, 2007 World Series Champion Boston Red Sox 2006 Spain: FIBA World Basketball Champions 2006, 2007 Sevilla FC: UEFA Cup Champions 2008 World Champion Boston Celtics 2008 Spain: European Cup Champions

04-15-2008, 01:54 AM	#30 (permalink)
Keser Soya New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2	Just like Keser Soya--Tribe needs Kobayashi To be or not to be. That is the question. Whether it is smarter to use the hired Japanese closer that we have or to let BS (Blow Save) Borowski to allow the Indians to get their butts kicked every night. BOROWSKI SUCKS--the time has come for the Usual Suspect--Kobayashi !!!!!!!

09-28-2007, 03:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 325	The issue really becomes taking Perez and Betancourt out of their respective roles at a critical part of the season. They both are pitching lights out as setup men, and I would be hard pressed to change that role in the post season.

09-29-2007, 10:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,617	I think Betancourt could go 8-9. Borowski had another sub par effort last night. No, he didn't blow another one but once again, two outs and he allows two runners on. With a two run lead he was one pitch from another blown save.

09-29-2007, 01:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 325	Borowski is a disaster waiting to happen, but he's been our closer all year, and we have 95 wins. This team won 95 games. We will be in a position to win games in the postseason with C.C. and Fausto heading the rotation. Hopefully we can give Borowski 2 and 3 run leads to make things easier. Regardless, the Indians have learned how to win even with a closer with a 5+ ERA. I don't care how they do it, as long as they keep on winning.

10-09-2007, 09:39 AM	#20 (permalink)
ACrank Rookie Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 13	He gets the job done, doesn't he? And more importantly - when he doesn't get the job done he wants to ball the next time out. Yes, the Indians need a long term solution at closer. But for this year, and for that matter, next year too, Borowski can do the job.

10-09-2007, 10:35 AM	#21 (permalink)
1Perry Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,617	He was a long fly and one pitch from blowing a three run lead. Yes, you can say he got the job done but if Posada's ball had been a few feet to the left, it's likely a different game. He simply grooves too many balls. If it gets to the W.S. and it's a one run lead to win, I hope Betencourt comes back out. It really would matter little to Borowski's ego at that point as he isn't going to be the closer next year anyways. The only reason he got it done last night was because the Indians got it done through the top half of the innings.

10-09-2007, 12:53 PM	#22 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 325	Wedge has sent a message to everyone, he trusts his players. Borowski is the Indians closer, and if we get to the 9th with a one-run lead against Boston, you'll surely see Borowski called upon. No doubt.

11-12-2007, 08:45 AM	#25 (permalink)
ACrank Rookie Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 13	Of course we know by now Borowski didn't blow the ALCS (like apparently every Indian fan but me thought would happen) and that his option for the next year was picked up (apparently thought to be a bad idea by most every Indian fan but me).

03-28-2008, 12:53 AM	#26 (permalink)
JMUplayer Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 204	You gonna put Bentancourt in there to implode again?

04-14-2008, 11:06 PM	#27 (permalink)
GoTribe Rookie Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3	The Worst Closer In Baseball.