Best/Worst Sports cities - Page 3

John F · 01-17-2007, 05:31 PM

JoseA, it's not about spending with the Hawks alone. It goes FAR beyond that. Bill Wirtz -- the owner of the Chicago Blackhawks -- is considered the worst owner in professional sports for a reason.

He refuses -- outright refuses -- to air the Blackhawks home games on TV in order to boost attendance. No one attends. No one cares. He's hurting things instead of helping them. It goes beyond the TV broadcast stuff though... It's just terrible.

JoseA · 01-17-2007, 05:37 PM

Decent point John, but I watch them sometimes now down at some public places. Dont know what type of game they play though,

By the way your avatar doesn't load on my computer, I suggest you find a new one.

John F · 01-17-2007, 05:45 PM

LOL -- my avatar is an non-loading X to begin with. If it's not an animated X, then it's your loss... not mine :-)

Dan · 01-17-2007, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoseA

I am south side Chicago.
If I had the money I would have went to every game I could have dreamed of. Just because we arent is some razzy dazzy neighborhood dont mean I dont like them.
I watched the games on WGN on my black and white t.v. as a kid, I couldnt dare go to them. But the White Sox are very succeful and no other city has the connection to me as they do.

I knew I would get hit hard from a Yank fan, but thats fine. I wasnt speaking about the Yanks specifically, more of the Jets/Giants/Knicks/and also the mets. Gheesh sorry if I offened you or anyone for that matter, but that is just my opinion. Now I feel sad.

I didn't hit you hard at all. Now I went after Diamond Dave after he said the same thing about New York, so he took the brunt of my wrath.

Top Cat · 02-01-2007, 10:10 PM

Pound for pound (per capita) the greatest example of support for any pro team has to be Green Bay. Now granted it is an abberation.

That said, I would love to see someone actually try to tackle this question from a metropolitan population perspective per team in butts in seats. I would think someone somewhere has done this.

Something tells me the chicagos and NY's of the world would be pretty far down that list. I'm not suggesting they're anything but great sports towns. They are certainly two of my favorite cities. But measuring fan support should start at the ballpark IMO

Now revenue is another matter. That takes into consideration a whole additional set of criteria.

bedir than average · 02-05-2007, 07:32 PM

Top, tell me which leagues and sports matter for the study and i'll do that for you. Arena football count? the NHL? NASCAR? What about D-I football and Basketball? MLS?

You want just attendance factored for GMSA I take it? I have an excel sheet with market rank, size, the big four, MLS and AFL in it already. I just need to update attendance for last full season played.

TheAJx · 02-07-2007, 02:52 PM

Per capita attendance is such a poor method of comparing two cities. All it does is make bigger cities look worse because attendance is fixed at 65 to 75000 while population size is the variable.

bedir than average · 02-07-2007, 07:31 PM

ah but a city like NYC has 2 MLB, 2NFL, 2NBA, 3NHL, 1MLS, 1 AFL and how many D-I schools?

TheAJx · 02-08-2007, 04:38 AM

Point? It's also a metro area of approximately 22 million.

You can't make any meaningful statisticals comparisons between that and . . . Kansas City, metro under 2 mil.

I think its a poor method just like Sports Illustrated (or ESPN the mag's?) "Best Sports Cities" that only takes into account how good the teams are, and therefore sees Chicago go from 30th to 1st in a year after the Sox win it all, and Bears/Bulls make playoffs.

That's why I prefer good ol wholesome debate of opinions using subjective criteria.

bedir than average · 02-09-2007, 08:12 PM

I'm saying that the market system actually accounts for metro population by also populating the larger cities with more teams. In general the population pool is relatively similar across markets.

G-Man · 03-08-2007, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAJx

Best:

1. St. Louis

Damn straight.

dlb · 03-08-2007, 10:19 PM

NYC has to be the best pro sports town in America. If you've ever lived near it, you know what I mean. Folks there have a devotion to their city that I just haven't seen anywhere else. Then, the city is big enough to create cross-town rivalries at the professional level. The closest I've seen is the state of NC for college basketball; but that's only one sport and it takes a whole state.

I'd nominate Montreal for the worst, but the Habs have a grand tradition. Washington was a bad sports town when I lived there 40 years ago. Everyone grew up somewhere else, so the point of the Washington teams was to watch your hometown team beat up on the Redskins and Senators.

Orlando strikes me as an awful pro sports town, but they really only have the Magic. It's a lousy place to be a local, so I don't think the folks who live there have much civic pride.

Zen653 · 03-09-2007, 02:55 PM

I think Detroit is the best sports town in America. Excellent attendance for the NBA and NHL. Loyal support for the MLB Tigers and NFL Lions. Great rivalry with Michigan and Michigan State in basketball, football and hockey.

NationalsFan-MD · 06-01-2007, 01:31 PM

Best sports cities:
Seattle
San Diego
Los Angeles
Chicago
Pittsburgh

Worst sports cities:
Philadelphia - where the fans act like idiots
Miami - won't even support the Marlins
Las Vegas - attendance at Gladiators games stink
Orlando - can't see myself at a Predators-Storm game

John F · 06-01-2007, 01:43 PM

basing fan attendance on a AFL game isn't exactly a barometer of fan support. I mean, I am not big on Orlando in the least but to gauge them by the AFL? That's like judging New York by attendance for Brooklyn Cyclones games.

01-17-2007, 05:37 PM	#32 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	Decent point John, but I watch them sometimes now down at some public places. Dont know what type of game they play though, By the way your avatar doesn't load on my computer, I suggest you find a new one. __________________ Register here and join the discussion

02-05-2007, 07:32 PM	#36 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	Top, tell me which leagues and sports matter for the study and i'll do that for you. Arena football count? the NHL? NASCAR? What about D-I football and Basketball? MLS? You want just attendance factored for GMSA I take it? I have an excel sheet with market rank, size, the big four, MLS and AFL in it already. I just need to update attendance for last full season played. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

02-07-2007, 07:31 PM	#38 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	ah but a city like NYC has 2 MLB, 2NFL, 2NBA, 3NHL, 1MLS, 1 AFL and how many D-I schools? __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

02-09-2007, 08:12 PM	#40 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	I'm saying that the market system actually accounts for metro population by also populating the larger cities with more teams. In general the population pool is relatively similar across markets. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

03-09-2007, 02:55 PM	#43 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,744	I think Detroit is the best sports town in America. Excellent attendance for the NBA and NHL. Loyal support for the MLB Tigers and NFL Lions. Great rivalry with Michigan and Michigan State in basketball, football and hockey. Last edited by Zen653; 03-09-2007 at 02:59 PM.

01-17-2007, 05:31 PM	#31 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,497	JoseA, it's not about spending with the Hawks alone. It goes FAR beyond that. Bill Wirtz -- the owner of the Chicago Blackhawks -- is considered the worst owner in professional sports for a reason. He refuses -- outright refuses -- to air the Blackhawks home games on TV in order to boost attendance. No one attends. No one cares. He's hurting things instead of helping them. It goes beyond the TV broadcast stuff though... It's just terrible.

01-17-2007, 05:45 PM	#33 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,497	LOL -- my avatar is an non-loading X to begin with. If it's not an animated X, then it's your loss... not mine :-)

02-01-2007, 10:10 PM	#35 (permalink)
Top Cat Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bellingham Posts: 2,309	Pound for pound (per capita) the greatest example of support for any pro team has to be Green Bay. Now granted it is an abberation. That said, I would love to see someone actually try to tackle this question from a metropolitan population perspective per team in butts in seats. I would think someone somewhere has done this. Something tells me the chicagos and NY's of the world would be pretty far down that list. I'm not suggesting they're anything but great sports towns. They are certainly two of my favorite cities. But measuring fan support should start at the ballpark IMO Now revenue is another matter. That takes into consideration a whole additional set of criteria.

02-07-2007, 02:52 PM	#37 (permalink)
TheAJx Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 849	Per capita attendance is such a poor method of comparing two cities. All it does is make bigger cities look worse because attendance is fixed at 65 to 75000 while population size is the variable.

02-08-2007, 04:38 AM	#39 (permalink)
TheAJx Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 849	Point? It's also a metro area of approximately 22 million. You can't make any meaningful statisticals comparisons between that and . . . Kansas City, metro under 2 mil. I think its a poor method just like Sports Illustrated (or ESPN the mag's?) "Best Sports Cities" that only takes into account how good the teams are, and therefore sees Chicago go from 30th to 1st in a year after the Sox win it all, and Bears/Bulls make playoffs. That's why I prefer good ol wholesome debate of opinions using subjective criteria.

03-08-2007, 10:19 PM	#42 (permalink)
dlb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,623	NYC has to be the best pro sports town in America. If you've ever lived near it, you know what I mean. Folks there have a devotion to their city that I just haven't seen anywhere else. Then, the city is big enough to create cross-town rivalries at the professional level. The closest I've seen is the state of NC for college basketball; but that's only one sport and it takes a whole state. I'd nominate Montreal for the worst, but the Habs have a grand tradition. Washington was a bad sports town when I lived there 40 years ago. Everyone grew up somewhere else, so the point of the Washington teams was to watch your hometown team beat up on the Redskins and Senators. Orlando strikes me as an awful pro sports town, but they really only have the Magic. It's a lousy place to be a local, so I don't think the folks who live there have much civic pride.

06-01-2007, 01:31 PM	#44 (permalink)
NationalsFan-MD Rookie Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 13	Best sports cities: Seattle San Diego Los Angeles Chicago Pittsburgh Worst sports cities: Philadelphia - where the fans act like idiots Miami - won't even support the Marlins Las Vegas - attendance at Gladiators games stink Orlando - can't see myself at a Predators-Storm game __________________ LEONARD WEIRICH STEELERS FAN SINCE 2000 GO PITTSBURGH!!!!

06-01-2007, 01:43 PM	#45 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,497	basing fan attendance on a AFL game isn't exactly a barometer of fan support. I mean, I am not big on Orlando in the least but to gauge them by the AFL? That's like judging New York by attendance for Brooklyn Cyclones games.