Roger Clemens - Page 2

Rice4HoF · 12-15-2006, 11:59 PM

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I could put up with the ticket prices going up

Not to go too far off topic here, but this is a huge fallacy that sports owners use on their fanbase. A variant of "... since payroll is up, we have no choice but to raise our ticket prices to cover our costs...".

The reality is that ticket prices are set by your basic, simple supply and demand law, to maximize revenue. If the Sox knew that if they set all their ticket prices at $500 they'd still sell 30,000+ tickets, that's what tickets would cost, REGARDLESS of whether their total payroll was a Yankeesque $250 Million, or a Marlinesque $15 Million.

Conversely, if they knew nobody in the city of Boston would ever pay more that $5 a seat, then that's how much they'd cost.

There is no direct relationship between team costs and ticket price.

rubberball · 12-16-2006, 09:22 PM

The sox wil come up with any money they need to sign clemes if wants to pitch here...

TonyBagO'Donuts · 12-19-2006, 02:02 AM

Clemens is the reason why I became a BoSox fan. It would make my day if he'd sign on again.

3rd Handler · 12-19-2006, 01:45 PM

I heard the deal is all but dead at this point. The Sox have 6 capable starters right now. I think their biggest concern is the bullpen.

Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Wakefield, Lester

Conlin17 · 12-23-2006, 06:08 PM

deleted the rocket. remember, he left the sox and later played for new york. i dont see anyone asking for johnny deleted return. eat deleted rocket.

Zen653 · 01-16-2007, 12:58 PM

John Henry confirms that the Red Sox will make another attempt at signing Roger Clemens:

BostonHerald.com - Boston Red Sox: Sox still plan to make a pitch for Rocket

ingagi · 01-19-2007, 07:49 PM

How much do you think Rocket has left in him? Personally-don't care if he shows or not. Certainly he'd help, mind-and I always felt it was a shame he left-but that's a pretty old arm to be relying on, along w/ Schilling, Wake, etc. Just my 4 cents.

Zen653 · 01-23-2007, 11:57 AM

Is Clemens leaning towards New York?

Photograph taken at a recent event:

ESPN article:

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If Roger Clemens pitches in The Pinstripes again next season, the Yankees reportedly are ready for his return.

The New York Post reported that the Yankees asked second baseman Robinson Cano to give up his No. 22 if Clemens returns to the Bronx and Cano agreed to switch to No. 24.

ESPN.com - MLB - Uni watch: Yanks, Cano ready if Rocket returns

Zen653 · 05-06-2007, 03:22 PM

Clemens has signed a contract with the New York Yankees. Oh well. He's dead to me now.

AutomatedTeller · 05-06-2007, 03:48 PM

That's pretty disappointing. I'm not surprised - I'm sure the Yankess pitch was:

A) Andy
B) We need you a lot
C) Joe
D) Money

This will give the Yankees a better rotation in the 2nd half of the season:

Roger
Andy
Wang
Mussina
Hughes?

Might be better than the Sox, might not - big issues are age and can any of them go 7 with regularity? Yankees have not had great success with over 40, once great pitchers - even those who had been great the year before in the NL.

With NY, Roger had an ERA around 3.91. Given what happened with RJ when he came over from the NL, that sounds reasonable. Course, I have no idea - Roger could be amazing, with an ERA around 2.50. He could be mediocre, with an ERA around 4.50. I'm guessing 3.5-4.00, though. That will be a huge help to the Yankees.

Zen653 · 05-06-2007, 04:14 PM

This is why I never count the Yankees out of anything. They always get off to a slow start and they always recover and re-take the division lead. I see no reason why this season will be any different. Unlike previous years, when the early difficulties were unexplained, it's pretty clear why the Yankees struggled out the gate - their two best pitchers were injured.

Come June, they're going to have the best rotation in baseball. Mussina looked great against Texas. Wang had a perfect game into the 8th yesterday against a Mariner team that had scored 15 runs the night before. Pettitte is a gamer who has a deceptively low record this year, mainly due to uncharacteristically bad performances by Mariano Rivera. Phil Hughes might be the best 20-22 yearold in all of baseball. And Roger Clemens is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer and possibly a top 5 pitcher in the history of the game. He absolutely dominated in the NL the last three years.

Now maybe one or two of these guys will fail to pitch up to their potential but does it really matter? As long as the Yankees can rely on 3 of the 5, or even 2 of the 5, they'll be in excellent shape in any 5 or 7-game playoff series. Especially with an All-Star offense hitting behind them.

As much as I hate to say it, I think we're simply keeping first place warm until the Yankees get healthy enough to reclaim it. Realistically, Wakefield won't stay this effective the whole year and Matsuzaka will probably continue to pitch like a No. 5 starter. Our offense is also too inconsistent. We don't score nearly enough runs given our alleged level of talent. Julio Lugo has been a colossal disappointment. J.D Drew stopped hitting after a good first week. Manny is heating up a little bit but still hasn't been his usual self. Ortiz is leading the league in double plays. Pedroia is barely over .200. We could desperately use another bat, probably in CF. But with the Braves competitive in the NL East, I don't think Andruw Jones will be available. I also doubt that the Mariners would trade Ichiro who would be an ideal leadoff man. I think we might have a shot at Torii Hunter if the Twins fall out of contention. Hunter and Ortiz have a great relationship, although maybe not as close as Ramirez and Tavarez (get a room!)

cjelephant · 05-06-2007, 05:05 PM

Here's the good news about Clemens signing with the Yankees: the Red Sox management and fans can now stop kissing his fat rear end. Now we can get back to hating him in earnest.

The fat loser was talking about how he returned to NY because they "know how to win"

Riiiight.

cjelephant · 05-06-2007, 07:52 PM

I don't see any reason for the Red Sox to make 21 a number that can't be issued anymore. They aren't seriously considering retiring that number anymore, are they?!

Zen653 · 05-06-2007, 08:12 PM

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I don't see any reason for the Red Sox to make 21 a number that can't be issued anymore. They aren't seriously considering retiring that number anymore, are they?!

Unfortunately, I think they still plan to retire the number. The Red Sox don't want to give Clemens' legacy away to the Yankees - they would rather have people remember him as a Red Sox player. The man, is after all, one of the best pitchers in the history of the game. He's also tied with Cy Young for the all-time lead in franchise wins.

Clemens loves media attention and I'm sure that he'll say all the right things when asked about Boston. He'd probably even be willing to sign one of those lame one-day contracts so that he officially retires as a Red Sox player. That way he can have his cake (spit at Boston by playing for New York) and eat it too (still get his number retired in right field.) The fans will then be dumb enough to shower him with adulation on "Roger Clemens Day," when he gives a 2 minute speech and participates in the unveiling of his number.

If the Red Sox had no intentions of retiring #21, they would have issued it to another player 10 years ago when he first left the team.

Personally, I don't want Clemens' number retired. I no longer identify him as a Red Sox player. I was willing to forgive him for going to Toronto because of the way Dan Duquette disrespected him. I was even willing to forgive him for his first stint in New York (he was traded there - he technically didn't choose the Yankees.) I also had no problem with him wanting to pitch for his hometown Astros. But this is different. ESPN is reporting that the Red Sox offered him a pro-rated $18 million for the final three months of the season. That's a very generous offer. Yet he used that number as leverage to grab an extra $10 million from the Yankees. I can't forgive him for that. Not this time.

This is a really tough day for me because he was my favorite player. I loved him in Boston. I loved him in Houston. I even rooted for him in Toronto and New York (when he wasn't pitching against us.) Other than winning another World Series Championship, there was nothing that I wanted more than to see him finish his career in Boston. I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

cjelephant · 05-06-2007, 09:38 PM

Zen - those are good words.

I think that any sox fan who had started to have warm feelings for Clemens in the twilight of his career now realizes what a selfish ballplayer he always was.

I agree Duquette was a fool who said many foolsih things- but Clemens quit on the Sox (somebody ask Shaugnessey about that!) so they moved on.

I always thought Clemens was a greedy ballplayer. Yes, they all "want to get paid" but he took it to another level. Does he really need to milk an additional 10 million at this point?

I could have lived with him going to Houston - but back to NYY? Nope.

Maybe I would feel differently if he had said (last october) I made a mistake siging with Houston. If I come back next year the only team I will sign with is the NYY.

Issue #21 immediately please.

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12-16-2006, 09:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
rubberball Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 29	The sox wil come up with any money they need to sign clemes if wants to pitch here...

12-19-2006, 02:02 AM	#18 (permalink)
TonyBagO'Donuts Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 65	Clemens is the reason why I became a BoSox fan. It would make my day if he'd sign on again.

12-19-2006, 01:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
3rd Handler Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 27	I heard the deal is all but dead at this point. The Sox have 6 capable starters right now. I think their biggest concern is the bullpen. Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Wakefield, Lester

01-16-2007, 12:58 PM	#21 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,183	John Henry confirms that the Red Sox will make another attempt at signing Roger Clemens: BostonHerald.com - Boston Red Sox: Sox still plan to make a pitch for Rocket

01-19-2007, 07:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
ingagi Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 30	How much do you think Rocket has left in him? Personally-don't care if he shows or not. Certainly he'd help, mind-and I always felt it was a shame he left-but that's a pretty old arm to be relying on, along w/ Schilling, Wake, etc. Just my 4 cents.

05-06-2007, 03:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,183	Clemens has signed a contract with the New York Yankees. Oh well. He's dead to me now.

05-06-2007, 03:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
AutomatedTeller Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 544	That's pretty disappointing. I'm not surprised - I'm sure the Yankess pitch was: A) Andy B) We need you a lot C) Joe D) Money This will give the Yankees a better rotation in the 2nd half of the season: Roger Andy Wang Mussina Hughes? Might be better than the Sox, might not - big issues are age and can any of them go 7 with regularity? Yankees have not had great success with over 40, once great pitchers - even those who had been great the year before in the NL. With NY, Roger had an ERA around 3.91. Given what happened with RJ when he came over from the NL, that sounds reasonable. Course, I have no idea - Roger could be amazing, with an ERA around 2.50. He could be mediocre, with an ERA around 4.50. I'm guessing 3.5-4.00, though. That will be a huge help to the Yankees.

05-06-2007, 04:14 PM	#26 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,183	This is why I never count the Yankees out of anything. They always get off to a slow start and they always recover and re-take the division lead. I see no reason why this season will be any different. Unlike previous years, when the early difficulties were unexplained, it's pretty clear why the Yankees struggled out the gate - their two best pitchers were injured. Come June, they're going to have the best rotation in baseball. Mussina looked great against Texas. Wang had a perfect game into the 8th yesterday against a Mariner team that had scored 15 runs the night before. Pettitte is a gamer who has a deceptively low record this year, mainly due to uncharacteristically bad performances by Mariano Rivera. Phil Hughes might be the best 20-22 yearold in all of baseball. And Roger Clemens is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer and possibly a top 5 pitcher in the history of the game. He absolutely dominated in the NL the last three years. Now maybe one or two of these guys will fail to pitch up to their potential but does it really matter? As long as the Yankees can rely on 3 of the 5, or even 2 of the 5, they'll be in excellent shape in any 5 or 7-game playoff series. Especially with an All-Star offense hitting behind them. As much as I hate to say it, I think we're simply keeping first place warm until the Yankees get healthy enough to reclaim it. Realistically, Wakefield won't stay this effective the whole year and Matsuzaka will probably continue to pitch like a No. 5 starter. Our offense is also too inconsistent. We don't score nearly enough runs given our alleged level of talent. Julio Lugo has been a colossal disappointment. J.D Drew stopped hitting after a good first week. Manny is heating up a little bit but still hasn't been his usual self. Ortiz is leading the league in double plays. Pedroia is barely over .200. We could desperately use another bat, probably in CF. But with the Braves competitive in the NL East, I don't think Andruw Jones will be available. I also doubt that the Mariners would trade Ichiro who would be an ideal leadoff man. I think we might have a shot at Torii Hunter if the Twins fall out of contention. Hunter and Ortiz have a great relationship, although maybe not as close as Ramirez and Tavarez (get a room!)

05-06-2007, 05:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
cjelephant Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 47	Here's the good news about Clemens signing with the Yankees: the Red Sox management and fans can now stop kissing his fat rear end. Now we can get back to hating him in earnest. The fat loser was talking about how he returned to NY because they "know how to win" Riiiight.

05-06-2007, 07:52 PM	#28 (permalink)
cjelephant Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 47	I don't see any reason for the Red Sox to make 21 a number that can't be issued anymore. They aren't seriously considering retiring that number anymore, are they?!

05-06-2007, 09:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
cjelephant Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 47	Zen - those are good words. I think that any sox fan who had started to have warm feelings for Clemens in the twilight of his career now realizes what a selfish ballplayer he always was. I agree Duquette was a fool who said many foolsih things- but Clemens quit on the Sox (somebody ask Shaugnessey about that!) so they moved on. I always thought Clemens was a greedy ballplayer. Yes, they all "want to get paid" but he took it to another level. Does he really need to milk an additional 10 million at this point? I could have lived with him going to Houston - but back to NYY? Nope. Maybe I would feel differently if he had said (last october) I made a mistake siging with Houston. If I come back next year the only team I will sign with is the NYY. Issue #21 immediately please.