Red Sox, RF Drew close to agreement

mets2k · 11-27-2006, 09:13 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

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BOSTON (AP) -- The Boston Red Sox are making progress toward signing free agent J.D. Drew, a move that could give them enough outfield options to be in a better position to trade Manny Ramirez.

The Red Sox and Drew are getting closer to a contract agreement, a person familiar with the negotiations said Monday, speaking on condition of anonymity because talks were ongoing.

The team has been exploring deals for Ramirez, who has two years left on his eight-year contract and has asked to be traded several times. He can decline any trade because he's been in the majors for 10 years and with the same team for five.

Ramirez's agent, Greg Genske, did not return a telephone call or an e-mail seeking comment Monday. Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein did not respond to an e-mail.

Baseball's winter meetings are scheduled next week from Monday through Thursday in Florida.

AutomatedTeller · 11-27-2006, 10:32 PM

I am of two minds about Drew. When healthy, Drew is a tremendous player. He's had a long history of not staying healthy, though.

For some reason, I think Fred Lynn. Drew isnt' really the same type of player, besides being LH and injury prone.

rubberball · 11-27-2006, 11:25 PM

Drew could do great here; I think the problem is:

manny
sal: 18.5 million (4 mil defered)
120 games (missing some for mental reason)
38+hrs
110 RBI

Drew
sal: 14.5 million
120 games (missing some for phyical reason)
20+hrs
100 RBIs

who would you rather have?

Dada · 11-28-2006, 12:32 AM

AutomatedTeller, Drew is a mystery for me. He has had 3 or 4 tremendous seasons, of 1000+ OPS. Then all the unhealthy seasons. But here's what puzzles me. This past season especially, he was healthy and his production for the Dodgers was mediocre.

People here in LA think that he is not very good around the clubhouse. He doesn't cause trouble, but he gives the impression that he just doesn't care. I'm a regular at Dodger stadium, and seeing him going up to bat just doesn't look right. He just jogs out there like he doesn't care. The game can be close, or it can be late in the game, it won't change his attitude. And that, I think bothered the Dodgers organization.

citgo · 11-28-2006, 08:59 AM

If Dodger fans are concerned with nonchalance, I can only imagine what Sox fans would think of that.....

Bottomline, though, is production. You produce, you live to see another day.

Spaceman · 11-28-2006, 01:11 PM

I don't think it is a good idea to trade Manny, we should just hang on to him because at the rate these contracts are going Manny's contract is looking pretty good.

Papi4President · 12-01-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dada

AutomatedTeller, Drew is a mystery for me. He has had 3 or 4 tremendous seasons, of 1000+ OPS. Then all the unhealthy seasons. But here's what puzzles me. This past season especially, he was healthy and his production for the Dodgers was mediocre.

Can we at least try to be fair with the greatness of JD DREW....
Yes he has had three seasons where he had an OPS of greater than 1000...
His first year- 14 games, 36 AB's... 1436 OPS (hardly worth discussing given the small sample)

2001... 109 games (HE missed 1/3 of the year). had 375AB's and had an OPS of 1.027.... the number of OPS sounds great!

and 2004.. when he missed 20 games.... and the OPS was 1006..... he had 518 AB''s and that is close to a full year.... so it is only fair to use it. HOWEVER, in 2004... his Pre-Allstar OPS was: 1062.... his Post All-Star OPS was : 939..... so he slows late in the year....
As a matter of fact here are a few little interesting CAREER OPS tidbits about Drew...

Indoors: 1002
Outdoors: 865

Pre- Alstar:935
Post All star: 865
Oct: 835

Other interesting career numbers:

Pre- Alstar HR's...106
Post Allstar HR's 56

Pre- Alstar Rbi's... 307
Post Allstar Rbi's 202

Here's his career OPS against the AL....
BAL 935
BOS 1175
CWS 931
LAA 664
CLE 787
DET 553
KC 888
MIN 956
NYY 347
OAK 476
SEA 457
TOR 650

Now all of these are with real small samples.... but it honestly doesn't appear he is great against anyone in the AL but the Red Sox!

Drury77 · 12-01-2006, 10:52 AM

Heard this AM on WEEI, that an announcment is expected quite soon on this deal be consumated.

I hate losing Nixon, and Hope that if Drew really is here, that for a change he can stay healthy.

Papi4President · 12-01-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Drury77

Heard this AM on WEEI, that an announcment is expected quite soon on this deal be consumated.

I hate losing Nixon, and Hope that if Drew really is here, that for a change he can stay healthy.

Well I just saw on several sites that Nixon May be offered arbitration by the sox... so maybe you won;t lose him afterall.

Zen653 · 12-01-2006, 05:29 PM

I keep hearing that offering arbitration to Nixon spells the end of Manny. I don't see why that would necessarily be the case. Perhaps we're going to acquire our closer by trading Coco Crisp. If the Red Sox trade Crisp, then Pena or Drew can play CF (surprisingly, CF is actually Pena's best outfield position.) Nixon would essentially be platooning with Pena for another year. There's also the possibility that the Red Sox would simply trade Nixon even if he accepted arbitration. I don't know that one year of Nixon coming off an injury could fetch a whole lot. Maybe a serviceable setup man. Finally, there remains the possibility that Nixon would decline arbitration and sign a 2 year deal with another team. I don't know that a lot of teams would be willing to sacrifice a draft pick for Nixon but it only takes one team. Maybe one of the Red Sox West teams would be interested, or perhaps some random place like Pittsburgh.

MuffinMcFluffin · 12-01-2006, 07:15 PM

Well, is Drew a good breaking ball hitter? Does he fair well against lefties? You know that other teams just line those up against the Red Sox and Yankees when they play them. That, or the Yankees do it against them.

Furthermore, do you think Drew will be able to hit it out to right field as much as we'd like him to? Big Papi seems okay with it, but it looks like some shots end up being questionable.

Papi4President · 12-03-2006, 09:05 AM

No drew does not hit lefties well.
In his career he hits them at a .264 clip...
with a few extraodinary years..
2003-.218
2005-.235
2006-.244

WhosyourPapi???? · 12-03-2006, 03:18 PM

Drew isn't that good against lefties. But he is a good player. Earlier this year Gary Matthews got signed to a 10 million dollar a year contract. Drew will probably be signed for about 14 million a year. If you compare there stats Drew is much better then Matthews who only had one good year. Is Drew worth 14 million??? I dont know but look at his stats compared to some other outfieders signed this year.

Gary Matthews 5 years 50 million

Code:

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
 2006 31 TEX AL 147  620  102  194  44  6  19   79  10  7  58  99  .313  .371  .495  307   0   8   5   4   8 AS

And his 162 career average is:

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 162 Game Avg        516   79  136  29  4  14   58  12  5  57 103  .263  .336  .419  216   2   4   3   2   8

Juan Pierre 9 million a year 4 years

Code:

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
2006 28 CHC NL 162  699   87  204  32 13   3   40  58 20  32  38  .292  .330  .388  271  10   1   0   8   6

His Average:

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  162 Game Avg        661   98  200  24 10   2   46  52 19  42  40  .303  .350  .377  250  12   2   1   8   8

JD Drew 14 million a year(?)

Code:

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
2006 30 LAD NL 146  494   84  140  34  6  20  100   2  3  89 106  .283  .393  .498  246   1   6   8   4   4

His career average:

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 162 Game Avg        533  102  153  27  6  27   86  12  4  89 116  .286  .393  .512  273   3   4   4   7   7

I'm not saying the other guys got what they deserved but with the way signings are going Drew at 14 million isn't bad. A 3-4-5 of Ortiz-Manny-Drew would be awesome.

Lou · 12-03-2006, 08:06 PM

Drew is a good player to play right field in the place of Trot and could even play center field. He would allow the FO to use Crisp or Pena for trade bait. Clearly, we could use some bull pen help.

Zen653 · 12-03-2006, 10:48 PM

If Crisp can fetch us more than Pena in a trade, then I'd go ahead and trade Crisp. Center field is Pena's best defensive position and he has good power potential.

11-27-2006, 11:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
rubberball Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 29	Drew could do great here; I think the problem is: manny sal: 18.5 million (4 mil defered) 120 games (missing some for mental reason) 38+hrs 110 RBI Drew sal: 14.5 million 120 games (missing some for phyical reason) 20+hrs 100 RBIs who would you rather have? Last edited by rubberball; 11-27-2006 at 11:25 PM. Reason: formatting

12-01-2006, 05:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,744	I keep hearing that offering arbitration to Nixon spells the end of Manny. I don't see why that would necessarily be the case. Perhaps we're going to acquire our closer by trading Coco Crisp. If the Red Sox trade Crisp, then Pena or Drew can play CF (surprisingly, CF is actually Pena's best outfield position.) Nixon would essentially be platooning with Pena for another year. There's also the possibility that the Red Sox would simply trade Nixon even if he accepted arbitration. I don't know that one year of Nixon coming off an injury could fetch a whole lot. Maybe a serviceable setup man. Finally, there remains the possibility that Nixon would decline arbitration and sign a 2 year deal with another team. I don't know that a lot of teams would be willing to sacrifice a draft pick for Nixon but it only takes one team. Maybe one of the Red Sox West teams would be interested, or perhaps some random place like Pittsburgh. Last edited by Zen653; 12-01-2006 at 05:32 PM.

12-01-2006, 07:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
MuffinMcFluffin Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 584	Well, is Drew a good breaking ball hitter? Does he fair well against lefties? You know that other teams just line those up against the Red Sox and Yankees when they play them. That, or the Yankees do it against them. Furthermore, do you think Drew will be able to hit it out to right field as much as we'd like him to? Big Papi seems okay with it, but it looks like some shots end up being questionable. __________________

12-03-2006, 03:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
WhosyourPapi???? Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Calgary Posts: 36	Drew isn't that good against lefties. But he is a good player. Earlier this year Gary Matthews got signed to a 10 million dollar a year contract. Drew will probably be signed for about 14 million a year. If you compare there stats Drew is much better then Matthews who only had one good year. Is Drew worth 14 million??? I dont know but look at his stats compared to some other outfieders signed this year. Gary Matthews 5 years 50 million Code: Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 2006 31 TEX AL 147 620 102 194 44 6 19 79 10 7 58 99 .313 .371 .495 307 0 8 5 4 8 AS And his 162 career average is: Code: 162 Game Avg 516 79 136 29 4 14 58 12 5 57 103 .263 .336 .419 216 2 4 3 2 8 Juan Pierre 9 million a year 4 years Code: Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 2006 28 CHC NL 162 699 87 204 32 13 3 40 58 20 32 38 .292 .330 .388 271 10 1 0 8 6 His Average: Code: 162 Game Avg 661 98 200 24 10 2 46 52 19 42 40 .303 .350 .377 250 12 2 1 8 8 JD Drew 14 million a year(?) Code: Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 2006 30 LAD NL 146 494 84 140 34 6 20 100 2 3 89 106 .283 .393 .498 246 1 6 8 4 4 His career average: Code: 162 Game Avg 533 102 153 27 6 27 86 12 4 89 116 .286 .393 .512 273 3 4 4 7 7 I'm not saying the other guys got what they deserved but with the way signings are going Drew at 14 million isn't bad. A 3-4-5 of Ortiz-Manny-Drew would be awesome.

11-27-2006, 10:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
AutomatedTeller Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 544	I am of two minds about Drew. When healthy, Drew is a tremendous player. He's had a long history of not staying healthy, though. For some reason, I think Fred Lynn. Drew isnt' really the same type of player, besides being LH and injury prone.

11-28-2006, 12:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
Dada Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 125	AutomatedTeller, Drew is a mystery for me. He has had 3 or 4 tremendous seasons, of 1000+ OPS. Then all the unhealthy seasons. But here's what puzzles me. This past season especially, he was healthy and his production for the Dodgers was mediocre. People here in LA think that he is not very good around the clubhouse. He doesn't cause trouble, but he gives the impression that he just doesn't care. I'm a regular at Dodger stadium, and seeing him going up to bat just doesn't look right. He just jogs out there like he doesn't care. The game can be close, or it can be late in the game, it won't change his attitude. And that, I think bothered the Dodgers organization.

11-28-2006, 08:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
citgo New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3	If Dodger fans are concerned with nonchalance, I can only imagine what Sox fans would think of that..... Bottomline, though, is production. You produce, you live to see another day.

11-28-2006, 01:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
Spaceman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11	I don't think it is a good idea to trade Manny, we should just hang on to him because at the rate these contracts are going Manny's contract is looking pretty good.

12-01-2006, 10:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Drury77 Hockey Community Mod Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 891	Heard this AM on WEEI, that an announcment is expected quite soon on this deal be consumated. I hate losing Nixon, and Hope that if Drew really is here, that for a change he can stay healthy.

12-03-2006, 09:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
Papi4President New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9	No drew does not hit lefties well. In his career he hits them at a .264 clip... with a few extraodinary years.. 2003-.218 2005-.235 2006-.244

12-03-2006, 08:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lou New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4	Drew is a good player to play right field in the place of Trot and could even play center field. He would allow the FO to use Crisp or Pena for trade bait. Clearly, we could use some bull pen help.

12-03-2006, 10:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,744	If Crisp can fetch us more than Pena in a trade, then I'd go ahead and trade Crisp. Center field is Pena's best defensive position and he has good power potential.