Pena headed for arbitration

77smbg9177 · 02-08-2007, 06:22 PM

Experience now on Youkilis’ side - Boston Red Sox - BostonHerald.com

Boston Herald (scroll down): "Assistant general manager Jed Hoyer said little progress is being made on negotiations with outfielder Wily Mo Pena’s agent, Josh Zeide, meaning the Sox are on track to have their first arbitration hearing in five years."

AutomatedTeller · 02-08-2007, 11:27 PM

well, I'm not too worried about it.

ingagi · 02-10-2007, 09:22 AM

Me neither. Fine hitter, DH by birth, okay to have him around 400 ABs or so. Good power. Arroyo though was needed.

77smbg9177 · 02-11-2007, 02:39 PM

he is also great deffense wise

JoseA · 02-16-2007, 08:28 PM

Pena Signs

Quote:

FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) -- The Boston Red Sox and outfielder Wily Mo Pena reached agreement on a one-year contract shortly before they were to go to arbitration on Friday.

Details of the one-year deal were not announced. Pena,
who earned $1.25 million last year, asked for $2.2 million while the team offered $1,725,000. The agreement avoided an arbitration hearing scheduled for Friday in Phoenix.

"We certainly weren't afraid to go" to the hearing, general manager Theo
Epstein said, but "both sides are satisfied."

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

I like the deal, we didn't have to pay too much. Willie Mo is a solid player and I think he will keep improving on his numbers. Expect more homers.

AutomatedTeller · 02-16-2007, 09:32 PM

Pena is potentially a monster on offense. He's not there yet, of course, but there is a pretty good chance that he leads the league in HR one year.

JoseA · 02-16-2007, 09:46 PM

To be honest he sort of reminds me of David Ortiz for some reason....Maybe because he started his career on another team and came to the Red Sox.... He may become an Ortiz type player

AutomatedTeller · 02-18-2007, 11:59 PM

I like Pena, but I don't think he'll be ortiz. He's more likely to be between Jesse Barfield and Sammy Sosa. Sosa, at his peak, was probably better than Ortiz was last year - but he was really different from david - more power, fewer walks. At his worst, he should be a cory snyder/joe carter type player. Tony Armas for the new millenium.

Rooster · 02-19-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AutomatedTeller

I like Pena, but I don't think he'll be ortiz. . At his worst, he should be a joe carter type player.

AT HIS WORST ???

Try at his BEST

Joe Carter is an MVP hero, 5 time allstar who compares to the likes of Dale Murphy and Jim Rice.

In Baseball reference Wily compares closer to the world famous Jason Lane and Chuck Essegian

Wily is a good young hitter, but to say at his worst he will be a Joe Carter type is a stretch, Joe Carter was in the top 10 MVP votes 5 times, has an 11 year streetch averaging close to 30 homeruns and constantly led the league in ABs -- Wily is still struggling to become an everyday player.

AutomatedTeller · 02-21-2007, 12:57 PM

ow - misquoted the post after mine - that might be a record!! I said "cory snyder/joe carter type player"

Obviously, if you compare Pena and Carter to the players their career stats most resemble, Pena comes out 2nd best - since Carter has a full career behind him, and clearly Pena has to show that he can handle being a full time player. However, Pena is still younger than Carter was when Carter first played fulltime, so there is certainly time.

Carter didn't finish top 10 5 times, he finished top 10 4 times, 12th the 5th time, plus 3 more in the top 20.

My point was really that Pena looks to be, at worst, a guy who hits for a lot of power, not a great average and not a great OBP - a guy like Carter or Snyder or Pete Incaviglia. Not as bad an average as Rob Deer or Dave Kingman, perhaps.

Looking at it more closely, Carter isn't a great match - Carter was durable, and Pena gets hurt as often as Fred Lynn. Carter struck out a lot, but not nearly as often as Pena does. Armas may be a better comp - but that type of player - low BA, not many walks, lots of power - that's Pena.

And I would say that *IF* Pena stays healthy for a few years and hits in the middle of the sox lineup, he'll easily hit 30-40 HR qwith 100-140 RBI.

Projection is a stupid thing to do, but we do it all the time.

ingagi · 02-23-2007, 06:19 AM

Exactly, turns into a ProJectile more often than not. Cory Snyder had a decent 3 year start to his career, just....that strikezone started out the size of Rhode Island and kept on getting bigger and bigger the longer he played. Which was too bad-he had potential.

02-08-2007, 06:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
77smbg9177 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 670	Pena headed for arbitration Experience now on Youkilis’ side - Boston Red Sox - BostonHerald.com Boston Herald (scroll down): "Assistant general manager Jed Hoyer said little progress is being made on negotiations with outfielder Wily Mo Pena’s agent, Josh Zeide, meaning the Sox are on track to have their first arbitration hearing in five years." __________________ METS 07 WS CHAMPS i like how that just rolls of the tongue cant wait until that comes true

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02-08-2007, 11:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
AutomatedTeller Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 545	well, I'm not too worried about it.

02-10-2007, 09:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
ingagi Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 32	Me neither. Fine hitter, DH by birth, okay to have him around 400 ABs or so. Good power. Arroyo though was needed.

02-16-2007, 09:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
AutomatedTeller Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 545	Pena is potentially a monster on offense. He's not there yet, of course, but there is a pretty good chance that he leads the league in HR one year.

02-18-2007, 11:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
AutomatedTeller Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 545	I like Pena, but I don't think he'll be ortiz. He's more likely to be between Jesse Barfield and Sammy Sosa. Sosa, at his peak, was probably better than Ortiz was last year - but he was really different from david - more power, fewer walks. At his worst, he should be a cory snyder/joe carter type player. Tony Armas for the new millenium.

02-21-2007, 12:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
AutomatedTeller Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 545	ow - misquoted the post after mine - that might be a record!! I said "cory snyder/joe carter type player" Obviously, if you compare Pena and Carter to the players their career stats most resemble, Pena comes out 2nd best - since Carter has a full career behind him, and clearly Pena has to show that he can handle being a full time player. However, Pena is still younger than Carter was when Carter first played fulltime, so there is certainly time. Carter didn't finish top 10 5 times, he finished top 10 4 times, 12th the 5th time, plus 3 more in the top 20. My point was really that Pena looks to be, at worst, a guy who hits for a lot of power, not a great average and not a great OBP - a guy like Carter or Snyder or Pete Incaviglia. Not as bad an average as Rob Deer or Dave Kingman, perhaps. Looking at it more closely, Carter isn't a great match - Carter was durable, and Pena gets hurt as often as Fred Lynn. Carter struck out a lot, but not nearly as often as Pena does. Armas may be a better comp - but that type of player - low BA, not many walks, lots of power - that's Pena. And I would say that IF Pena stays healthy for a few years and hits in the middle of the sox lineup, he'll easily hit 30-40 HR qwith 100-140 RBI. Projection is a stupid thing to do, but we do it all the time.

02-23-2007, 06:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
ingagi Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 32	Exactly, turns into a ProJectile more often than not. Cory Snyder had a decent 3 year start to his career, just....that strikezone started out the size of Rhode Island and kept on getting bigger and bigger the longer he played. Which was too bad-he had potential.