Matsuzaka agrees to deal with Red Sox

Goose · December 13th, 2006, 01:17 PM

So says SI

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Daisuke Matsuzaka has reached a deal with the Boston Red Sox for six years, $52 million, a source close to the negotiations has told SI.com. The deal contains escalator clauses that could bring it up to $60 million.

So all together the Red Sox have invested at least $103.1 Million dollars in Dice-K.

John F · December 13th, 2006, 01:31 PM

large chunk of change indeed. Boras' posturing press conference probably helped a bit...

unreal654 · December 13th, 2006, 02:27 PM

another reason why baseball needs a cap.

steeplechase3k · December 13th, 2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by unreal654

another reason why baseball needs a cap.

$8.66 million a year?

All but a few teams should be able to pay their ace that much (and yes, he could be the ace of the staff).

CTDucksFan · December 13th, 2006, 04:35 PM

The invested a lot of money here - this is a bit of a gamble. Will they get an Ichiro/Hedeki type of transition of a Irabu/Kaz type?

Guess we'll find out soon enough!

bedir than average · December 13th, 2006, 05:30 PM

Probably more like Nomo than anything else. At least for Nomo's first two seasons. Top 4 in CyYoung voting for first two seasons with an ERA+ of 150 and 120. But he should do it for more than those two seasons, as he is a more advanced pitcher than Hideo.

GerryInCS · December 13th, 2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Goose

So says SI

So all together the Red Sox have invested at least $103.1 Million dollars in Dice-K.

It could be worse, Boras was looking for the 100 million as Dice's salary only, if you believe published reports/rumors. The Red Sox got over on this one.

pfiggy · December 14th, 2006, 08:39 AM

The deal also has what agent Scott Boras called a "litany of personal comforts" like a massage therapist, physical therapist, personal housing, interpreter, personal assistant, 80-90 flights, and "accommodations for his wife." An official announcement is expected to come at 5 p.m. EST Thursday.

Ball players have a tough life, eh?

Lenny · December 14th, 2006, 03:33 PM

So basically Boston is paying a little over 17 mil a year on average plus some pretty good perks, for a guy that has never pitched on a MLB team.

That sounds like a real good move

steeplechase3k · December 14th, 2006, 03:55 PM

Why do people keep lomping these 2 different playments together? They are paying the Sebu Lions 51.1 million NOW, that is a payment that has already been made the moment that a contract was signed.

Then they are paying Matsuzaka 8.6 million a year.

We'll see who is smiling one he starts to pitch in the majors...

bedir than average · December 14th, 2006, 05:08 PM

Also note that people that lump the posting fee in don't bother to do the same with players signed out of Latin leagues.

Lenny · December 14th, 2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by steeplechase3k

Why do people keep lomping these 2 different playments together? They are paying the Sebu Lions 51.1 million NOW, that is a payment that has already been made the moment that a contract was signed.

Then they are paying Matsuzaka 8.6 million a year.

We'll see who is smiling one he starts to pitch in the majors...

You lump the total payment in because that is the total cost of the player. Why would you not?

bedir than average · December 14th, 2006, 05:50 PM

Because the league doesn't count it towards payroll for purposes of Luxury Tax or Revenue sharing. Just like signing bonuses towards Drafted players or Latin acquisitions don't count.

steeplechase3k · December 14th, 2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny

You lump the total payment in because that is the total cost of the player. Why would you not?

When you talk about other players do you cite the costs (coaching, development etc.) for them through the minors?

That is what this fee is, the Red Sox paid Sebu for developing Matsuzaka, plus a finders fee.

zozo · December 17th, 2006, 10:06 AM

Done deal, G R E A T

!!!
I'm French, live in Paris and have Japanese friends from Sunday softball, + a Bostonian friend who's been living here a long time, so you can say I'm "involved" in this transaction.
I just can't wait to see televised games, without commercials, from mlb.com (this is not a commercial I just love baseball, as all of you already know this site, the espn, foxsports, sports illustrated, sportsline, et al)
I can't tell you how fun it's gonna be, american style, with the pizza, chips and booze/pot, and the game of course, on projector, so big screen!

.
Way to go Red Sox!! can't wait to see them kill the Yankees! You bet every Matsuzaka's game versus the Skankees is gonna bring a lot of us to Dave's place...
I still think I'm dreaming, pinch me! Have they REALLY signed him? April's too far off now, damnit!

December 13th, 2006, 05:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Probably more like Nomo than anything else. At least for Nomo's first two seasons. Top 4 in CyYoung voting for first two seasons with an ERA+ of 150 and 120. But he should do it for more than those two seasons, as he is a more advanced pitcher than Hideo. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

December 14th, 2006, 03:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
steeplechase3k Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 125	Why do people keep lomping these 2 different playments together? They are paying the Sebu Lions 51.1 million NOW, that is a payment that has already been made the moment that a contract was signed. Then they are paying Matsuzaka 8.6 million a year. We'll see who is smiling one he starts to pitch in the majors... __________________ --There are some who call me... Tim.--

December 14th, 2006, 05:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Also note that people that lump the posting fee in don't bother to do the same with players signed out of Latin leagues. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

December 14th, 2006, 05:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Because the league doesn't count it towards payroll for purposes of Luxury Tax or Revenue sharing. Just like signing bonuses towards Drafted players or Latin acquisitions don't count. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

December 13th, 2006, 01:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	large chunk of change indeed. Boras' posturing press conference probably helped a bit...

December 13th, 2006, 02:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 332	another reason why baseball needs a cap.

December 13th, 2006, 04:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
CTDucksFan Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 194	The invested a lot of money here - this is a bit of a gamble. Will they get an Ichiro/Hedeki type of transition of a Irabu/Kaz type? Guess we'll find out soon enough!

December 14th, 2006, 08:39 AM	#8 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,718	The deal also has what agent Scott Boras called a "litany of personal comforts" like a massage therapist, physical therapist, personal housing, interpreter, personal assistant, 80-90 flights, and "accommodations for his wife." An official announcement is expected to come at 5 p.m. EST Thursday. Ball players have a tough life, eh?

December 14th, 2006, 03:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lenny Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 240	So basically Boston is paying a little over 17 mil a year on average plus some pretty good perks, for a guy that has never pitched on a MLB team. That sounds like a real good move

December 17th, 2006, 10:06 AM	#15 (permalink)
zozo Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14	Done deal, G R E A T !!! I'm French, live in Paris and have Japanese friends from Sunday softball, + a Bostonian friend who's been living here a long time, so you can say I'm "involved" in this transaction. I just can't wait to see televised games, without commercials, from mlb.com (this is not a commercial I just love baseball, as all of you already know this site, the espn, foxsports, sports illustrated, sportsline, et al) I can't tell you how fun it's gonna be, american style, with the pizza, chips and booze/pot, and the game of course, on projector, so big screen! . Way to go Red Sox!! can't wait to see them kill the Yankees! You bet every Matsuzaka's game versus the Skankees is gonna bring a lot of us to Dave's place... I still think I'm dreaming, pinch me! Have they REALLY signed him? April's too far off now, damnit!