Mariners,Red Sox,Giants three way?

Goose · 12-04-2006, 10:58 PM

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The Red Sox, Mariners and Giants have discussed a deal that would send Manny Ramirez to Seattle, Richie Sexson to San Francisco and J.J. Putz to Boston, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Per Rotoworld.

Exciting stuff.

3rd Handler · 12-04-2006, 11:24 PM

I don't know how much I bye into this rumor. I would hope Manny would get the Sox more than JJ Putz. And to put Ramirez and Sexson in the same category is a crime.

Goose · 12-04-2006, 11:31 PM

The deal also talks about Adam Jones going Boston's way as well.

bedir than average · 12-04-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd Handler

I don't know how much I bye into this rumor. I would hope Manny would get the Sox more than JJ Putz. And to put Ramirez and Sexson in the same category is a crime.

same category?

What does that mean that Mike Morse and Freddy Garcia are the same? Or Coco Crisp and Marte?

No, it means they were involved in a trade, that's it.

kfkorn · 12-04-2006, 11:46 PM

I think the Red Sox can get more than J.J. Putz for Manny Ramirez. Adam Jones being added helps the deal though.

Who is San Francisco dealing away in this proposed deal?

Goose · 12-04-2006, 11:47 PM

Putz was the 2nd best closer in baseball behind Nathan last year. Him and Jones, who is a very good centerfield prospect would be a pretty good package IMO.

There's also talks of Noah Lowry coming from San Fran to Seattle. I don't know if more players are involved from their side or not.

edddgar · 12-05-2006, 12:29 AM

Putz and Jones is quite bit, I'd love Soriano in their at the closer role, but it'd be tough to part with Putz. Lowry is a nice additionand a cheap SP in an expensive market, it would fill a lot of needs the M's want, get the Red Sox their closer and Adam Jones, both of which they've been hot for, and Giants get a guy capable of driving in some runs in the middle. I think this is a deal these three teams could get too work.

Sawman · 12-05-2006, 02:39 AM

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Putz was the 2nd best closer in baseball behind Nathan last year.

K-Rod
B.J. Ryan
Jonathan Papelbon
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner

Putz was very good last season, but 2nd best in baseball? All of the closers above had just as good, if not better, years than Putz.

Goose · 12-05-2006, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sawman

K-Rod
B.J. Ryan
Jonathan Papelbon
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner

Putz was very good last season, but 2nd best in baseball? All of the closers above had just as good, if not better, years than Putz.

Well...no they didn't.

JJ Putz:
78.1 IP
104/13 K/BB ratio(8.00)
11.95 K/9
2.33 xFIP
36 saves(which is a bad measure really, but it's there)

BJ Ryan:
72.1 IP
86/20 K/BB ratio(4.30)
10.70 K/9
3.15 xFIP
38 saves

Jonathan Papelbon:
68.1 IP
75/13 K/BB ratio(5.77)
9.88 K/9
3.31 xFIP
35 saves

Trevor Hoffman:
63.0 IP
50/13 K/BB ratio(3.85)
7.14 K/9
4.34 xFIP
46 saves

Billy Wagner:
72.1 IP
94/21 K/BB ratio(4.48)
11.70 K/9
2.82 xFIP
40 saves

Putz was easily better than all of those. Wagner comes kinda close, but not really.

And since your an Angel fan.

Francisco Rodriguez:
73.0 IP
98/28 K/BB ratio(3.50)
12.08 K/9
3.22 xFIP
47 saves

K-Rod comes pretty close to Putz. I'd probably say he was the third best closer in baseball last year.

RTT · 12-05-2006, 03:59 AM

Stats may say what they say but Putz is NOWHERE near the closer/pitcher K-Rod is.

Goose · 12-05-2006, 04:23 AM

Ok....what?

K-Rod has a .013 K/9 advantage. Big deal.

Codered · 12-05-2006, 09:06 AM

I think it'll take a bit more then Putz, but he looks like he can be a good closer. I wonder if something like a Beltre and Putz for Manny deal would be realistic to off set money and provide Boston with a 3B and Closer option.

In that scenerio it would eliminate the need for SF.

Goose · 12-05-2006, 04:18 PM

Why would Boston do that deal when they already have Lowell and Youkilis?

bedir than average · 12-05-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RTT

Stats may say what they say but Putz is NOWHERE near the closer/pitcher K-Rod is.

For the career so far, yes, certainly, but there is no evidence based on Putz' single season as a closer that K-Rod is better.

At least none provided.

MuffinMcFluffin · 12-05-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RTT

Stats may say what they say but Putz is NOWHERE near the closer/pitcher K-Rod is.

Well, it just goes to show you that sometimes good/a lot of stuff doesn't necessarily mean that you're better against a hitter with something.

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3rd Handler Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 27	I don't know how much I bye into this rumor. I would hope Manny would get the Sox more than JJ Putz. And to put Ramirez and Sexson in the same category is a crime.

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edddgar Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 51	Putz and Jones is quite bit, I'd love Soriano in their at the closer role, but it'd be tough to part with Putz. Lowry is a nice additionand a cheap SP in an expensive market, it would fill a lot of needs the M's want, get the Red Sox their closer and Adam Jones, both of which they've been hot for, and Giants get a guy capable of driving in some runs in the middle. I think this is a deal these three teams could get too work.

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Codered Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 148	I think it'll take a bit more then Putz, but he looks like he can be a good closer. I wonder if something like a Beltre and Putz for Manny deal would be realistic to off set money and provide Boston with a 3B and Closer option. In that scenerio it would eliminate the need for SF. __________________ Save us Jay Cutler....

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