REtired number questioln

jtur88 · 05-13-2007, 08:13 AM

The only number below 38 that has not been retired by any team is 28. Anybody care to speculate whether anyone who does or ever did wear 28 is likely to ever have that number retired? By the way, what about the 'Curse of the Eights"? The highest number ending with 8 to be retired is 18, and 28 and 38 are the only unretired numbers below 46

Zen653 · 06-13-2007, 04:41 PM

Curt Schilling wears #38. Boston won't retire that number for him because the Red Sox thankfully have a very rigorous policy when it comes to retiring numbers. First, the player must be admitted into the Hall of Fame as a Red Sox. Second, the player must have spent at least 10 years with the team in uniform. Third, the player must retire as a Red Sox. (This last requirement can be fudged a bit by bringing someone back as a coach or spring training instructor.)

Anyway, while the Red Sox won't retire #38, it wouldn't surprise me if the Philadelphia Phillies decided to do so; if Schilling enters the Hall of Fame, it will likely be as a Philadelphia Phillie, where he enjoyed his best statistical seasons and had his longest tenure in MLB. Also, if the Red Sox do not re-sign Schilling, a return trip to Philadelphia would be his likeliest destination.

As for #28, how about Bert Blyleven? He's a borderline Hall of Famer. I could see the Twins retiring his number if he gets elected.

BMW · 06-13-2007, 05:54 PM

I couldn't see Bert Blyleven getting his number retired when he is barely going to get into the HOF.

The only 28 I can really think of that is worth anything is so far away from being in the HOF that thinking about his number getting retired is laughable, but that's Prince Fielder.

Zen653 · 06-13-2007, 09:14 PM

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I couldn't see Bert Blyleven getting his number retired when he is barely going to get into the HOF.

Why not? There are plenty of teams that retire the uniform numbers even for players who don't make it into Cooperstown. The Twins retired Kent Hrbek's number and he's not in the Hall of Fame. So I have to think that they'd definitely retire Blyleven's #28 if he were to get enshrined.

LongtimeBravesFan · 06-15-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jtur88

The only number below 38 that has not been retired by any team is 28. Anybody care to speculate whether anyone who does or ever did wear 28 is likely to ever have that number retired? By the way, what about the 'Curse of the Eights"? The highest number ending with 8 to be retired is 18, and 28 and 38 are the only unretired numbers below 46

Has 13 been retired by some team?

Zen653 · 07-07-2007, 02:17 PM

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Has 13 been retired by some team?

At the end of the month, Dave Concepcion's #13 will be formally retired by the Cincinnati Reds.

fabio61 · 07-08-2007, 11:18 AM

Retired numbers have become a joke. Sorry, but Dave Concepcion and Hent Hrbek don't rate a retired number. If a team doesn't retire a number when the player retires, how much could that player have really meant to them? The Mets retired the numbers of Casey Stengel & Gil Hodges. c'mon... Gene Autry (???) had his 'number' (26) retired. At the very least, you should have to have PLAYED for the team that retires your number.

Nocahoma · 07-08-2007, 12:58 PM

I thought Hrbek's number was retired by the WWE.

Zen653 · 07-08-2007, 07:31 PM

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If a team doesn't retire a number when the player retires, how much could that player have really meant to them?

It depends on the team. The Red Sox don't immediately retire player numbers yet they probably have the toughest requirements of any franchise in sports. You need to have (a) played for at least 10 years in Boston, (b) made it into the Cooperstown Hall of Fame as a Red Sox player, and (c) retired in the Red Sox organization. And even then, that merely makes you eligible.

nanwynnfan · 07-12-2007, 11:49 AM

The question of Bert Blyleven as a qualified Hall of Famer has always mystified me.

Blyleven went 287-250 in his career, averaged almost 7 innings per start, tossed 60 shutouts, and lost most of 2 seasons to disability.

If we consider the back-to-back seasons, 1982 and 1983 where Blyleven was a COMBINED 9-12, seeing Blyleven in the "300" club [and instant induction] becomes a no-brainer.

His career ERA+ @ 118 is a further qualification.

Against him? He was much travelled. However, his arrival generally pumped some life into his new franchise. There are those who would also argue that 287-250 = .534 is less than exciting, it compares with his collective team aggregate record of 1,783-1,757 = .504.

The .534 convertes to 86.51 = 87 wins, vs. .504 = 81.65 wins, which could be seen as playtoffs or no playoffs. Without embellishment, I see that as 287 wins AND better than average team performance behind him.

In the context of the thread, I'd say he's a no-brainer HoF and his number being retired doesn't warrant serious debate.

05-13-2007, 08:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
jtur88 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 7,842	REtired number questioln The only number below 38 that has not been retired by any team is 28. Anybody care to speculate whether anyone who does or ever did wear 28 is likely to ever have that number retired? By the way, what about the 'Curse of the Eights"? The highest number ending with 8 to be retired is 18, and 28 and 38 are the only unretired numbers below 46

06-13-2007, 05:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
BMW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	I couldn't see Bert Blyleven getting his number retired when he is barely going to get into the HOF. The only 28 I can really think of that is worth anything is so far away from being in the HOF that thinking about his number getting retired is laughable, but that's Prince Fielder. __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

07-12-2007, 11:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
nanwynnfan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,579	The question of Bert Blyleven as a qualified Hall of Famer has always mystified me. Blyleven went 287-250 in his career, averaged almost 7 innings per start, tossed 60 shutouts, and lost most of 2 seasons to disability. If we consider the back-to-back seasons, 1982 and 1983 where Blyleven was a COMBINED 9-12, seeing Blyleven in the "300" club [and instant induction] becomes a no-brainer. His career ERA+ @ 118 is a further qualification. Against him? He was much travelled. However, his arrival generally pumped some life into his new franchise. There are those who would also argue that 287-250 = .534 is less than exciting, it compares with his collective team aggregate record of 1,783-1,757 = .504. The .534 convertes to 86.51 = 87 wins, vs. .504 = 81.65 wins, which could be seen as playtoffs or no playoffs. Without embellishment, I see that as 287 wins AND better than average team performance behind him. In the context of the thread, I'd say he's a no-brainer HoF and his number being retired doesn't warrant serious debate. Last edited by nanwynnfan; 07-12-2007 at 11:54 AM.

06-13-2007, 04:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,902	Curt Schilling wears #38. Boston won't retire that number for him because the Red Sox thankfully have a very rigorous policy when it comes to retiring numbers. First, the player must be admitted into the Hall of Fame as a Red Sox. Second, the player must have spent at least 10 years with the team in uniform. Third, the player must retire as a Red Sox. (This last requirement can be fudged a bit by bringing someone back as a coach or spring training instructor.) Anyway, while the Red Sox won't retire #38, it wouldn't surprise me if the Philadelphia Phillies decided to do so; if Schilling enters the Hall of Fame, it will likely be as a Philadelphia Phillie, where he enjoyed his best statistical seasons and had his longest tenure in MLB. Also, if the Red Sox do not re-sign Schilling, a return trip to Philadelphia would be his likeliest destination. As for #28, how about Bert Blyleven? He's a borderline Hall of Famer. I could see the Twins retiring his number if he gets elected.

07-08-2007, 11:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
fabio61 Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 64	Retired numbers have become a joke. Sorry, but Dave Concepcion and Hent Hrbek don't rate a retired number. If a team doesn't retire a number when the player retires, how much could that player have really meant to them? The Mets retired the numbers of Casey Stengel & Gil Hodges. c'mon... Gene Autry (???) had his 'number' (26) retired. At the very least, you should have to have PLAYED for the team that retires your number.

07-08-2007, 12:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	I thought Hrbek's number was retired by the WWE.