AL EAST Good for Owner Bad for Fans

JMUplayer · 07-30-2007, 11:54 PM

To be in the AL EAST as an owner you get big revenue coming in when the yanks/sox come to town but it's nearly impossible to win with the economic conditions that are present.

Want to be fair -- revenue share within your division more. Instead of giving KC and OAK money give more to the O's,TB, TOR., but that will never happen.

feathered friend · 08-03-2007, 03:01 AM

I say don't revenue share at all.
It's one of the few ideas MLB has adopted that's actually worse than arbitration.

If a team doesn't receive support from the community in which it exists, and/or can't be run well enough to survive economically without help from a pool of other clubs, then let it either move or cease to exist altogether.

The two Florida teams immediately come to mind.

DiamondDave · 08-05-2007, 10:55 PM

I think true revenue sharing will be the only solution.... but ONLY if it is coupled with a true salary cap in combination with a salary basement as well....

The NFL has it right, or at least MUCH better than ANY other sport.... and a model that goes in that direction will eventually be the best thing for baseball, and our O's

FF.... contraction/folding will never pass the players union... you know it, I know it, and any baseball fan should know it....

feathered friend · 08-06-2007, 07:33 AM

Well, I'm not sure exactly what qualifies you to impose your own personal prerequisites for being a baseball fan, but I for one do not recognize it.

Professional sports do not exist in their own little bubble.
Sooner or later the real cold hard basic economic principles which factor the global economy will penetrate and overcome the artificial ones that pro sports, notably baseball, have existed under for awhile now.

There are too many teams in all of the four major sports.
Contraction is inevitable..... it might not happen this year or next, but it will happen.

DiamondDave · 08-06-2007, 12:00 PM

no... with player unions.... it is NOT inevitable... you severely underestimate the power that the players and player unions have... contraction was put out there for shock value, but it was not going to happen

Sooner or later, the teams and owners will realize that they cannot stand on their own... that NFL style sharing and spending limitations helps ALL involved and leads to an even more prosperous league, meaning increased revenue for all, not just the 'small markets'

feathered friend · 08-06-2007, 02:26 PM

Unions, leagues, collusive owners, associations, or loose affiliations..... none can change the laws of economics. The world of sports has already all but created a glutted market, which in turn has created a mediocre product, which in turn will create fan apathy, which in turn will create bankruptcy.

This very forum is an example of that principle.

Better wake up and find some more active posters pretty soon...... or say hello to impending contraction.

DiamondDave · 08-06-2007, 02:34 PM

The laws of economics in sports shows that the sport, unlike Hockey, is actually healthy.... but that the lack of true revenue sharing puts a huge displacement between the teams.... it hinders the league... competitiveness does not detract from the large market cities, yet helps the 'small market' ones... as seen in pure evidence by the crowds in Green Bay, KC, etc that are PACKED in those small markets in football....

The league will not contract or allow a team to simply fold.... PERIOD.... there is too much $$$ out there for that... if you said sale and relocation, I would not disagree... but not in a million years will you see it contracting and/or folding teams, because the players union will not stand for it and the owners actually do realize the interdependence between the teams (even if ones such as Steinjerk still refuse to split the pie in a way that is best for the league as a whole, which actually helps his team more than he realizes)

07-30-2007, 11:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
JMUplayer Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 204	AL EAST Good for Owner Bad for Fans To be in the AL EAST as an owner you get big revenue coming in when the yanks/sox come to town but it's nearly impossible to win with the economic conditions that are present. Want to be fair -- revenue share within your division more. Instead of giving KC and OAK money give more to the O's,TB, TOR., but that will never happen.

08-05-2007, 10:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	I think true revenue sharing will be the only solution.... but ONLY if it is coupled with a true salary cap in combination with a salary basement as well.... The NFL has it right, or at least MUCH better than ANY other sport.... and a model that goes in that direction will eventually be the best thing for baseball, and our O's FF.... contraction/folding will never pass the players union... you know it, I know it, and any baseball fan should know it.... __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

08-06-2007, 12:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	no... with player unions.... it is NOT inevitable... you severely underestimate the power that the players and player unions have... contraction was put out there for shock value, but it was not going to happen Sooner or later, the teams and owners will realize that they cannot stand on their own... that NFL style sharing and spending limitations helps ALL involved and leads to an even more prosperous league, meaning increased revenue for all, not just the 'small markets' __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

08-06-2007, 02:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	The laws of economics in sports shows that the sport, unlike Hockey, is actually healthy.... but that the lack of true revenue sharing puts a huge displacement between the teams.... it hinders the league... competitiveness does not detract from the large market cities, yet helps the 'small market' ones... as seen in pure evidence by the crowds in Green Bay, KC, etc that are PACKED in those small markets in football.... The league will not contract or allow a team to simply fold.... PERIOD.... there is too much $$$ out there for that... if you said sale and relocation, I would not disagree... but not in a million years will you see it contracting and/or folding teams, because the players union will not stand for it and the owners actually do realize the interdependence between the teams (even if ones such as Steinjerk still refuse to split the pie in a way that is best for the league as a whole, which actually helps his team more than he realizes) __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

08-03-2007, 03:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	I say don't revenue share at all. It's one of the few ideas MLB has adopted that's actually worse than arbitration. If a team doesn't receive support from the community in which it exists, and/or can't be run well enough to survive economically without help from a pool of other clubs, then let it either move or cease to exist altogether. The two Florida teams immediately come to mind.

08-06-2007, 07:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	Well, I'm not sure exactly what qualifies you to impose your own personal prerequisites for being a baseball fan, but I for one do not recognize it. Professional sports do not exist in their own little bubble. Sooner or later the real cold hard basic economic principles which factor the global economy will penetrate and overcome the artificial ones that pro sports, notably baseball, have existed under for awhile now. There are too many teams in all of the four major sports. Contraction is inevitable..... it might not happen this year or next, but it will happen.

08-06-2007, 02:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	Unions, leagues, collusive owners, associations, or loose affiliations..... none can change the laws of economics. The world of sports has already all but created a glutted market, which in turn has created a mediocre product, which in turn will create fan apathy, which in turn will create bankruptcy. This very forum is an example of that principle. Better wake up and find some more active posters pretty soon...... or say hello to impending contraction.