2007 O's MVP Thread

DiamondDave · 07-25-2007, 08:27 AM

Since the topic of value was brought up in the other thread about POTY, I figured it would be a good discussion on MVP rather than just the best performer or POTY.

We all know a person can add value other than stats or production we can see in the box score. Mentoring, leadership, etc can all be a major part of a player's value, even if that player is part-time or less than a stellar performer themself.

Who would we nominate as MVP for the O's as of now, and who will probably be that MVP at season's end? I know FF mentioned Millar. I would also mention ones such as Melvin Mora besides the obvious stat leaders in Bedard, Roberts, etc....

Thoughts?

feathered friend · 07-25-2007, 01:44 PM

With all due respect, I think you've got your definitions of MVP and POTY reversed.

There is no way a part-time player (other than a pitcher) or a less-than-stellar performing player can be an MVP.... either of a team or a league.
It's never happened and it ain't gonna happen.

The term MVP is based on performance over an entire season and in as close to 162 games as possible.

The term POTY is based, once again, on overcoming some sort of odds (including less-than-stellar abilities) on the way to becoming a major contributor in one way or another over a certain season.

For example, in 1997, that recognition would have gone to Eric Davis, though Davis was certainly not the O's MVP that season.

DiamondDave · 07-25-2007, 02:42 PM

Value is a subjective term... hence the subjective things such as leadership, "clutch", etc can be brought into that sort of discussion.... so in spite of the MLB using MVP as more like a POTY award (POTY being the best contributor or best performer that can be objectively measured)... I am putting the term value back to the subjective thing that it is....

feathered friend · 07-25-2007, 06:15 PM

Well, I certainly agree that Major League Baseball's acceptable definition of MVP has evolved over the years..... as have it's prerequisites for the Cy Young and Gold Glove awards.

Of course I don't agree with those either.

But regardless of how they stretch it, a part-time player has and will never be chosen for a league MVP..... and that makes it highly unlikely for one to ever be chosen as a team MVP.

07-25-2007, 08:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	2007 O's MVP Thread Since the topic of value was brought up in the other thread about POTY, I figured it would be a good discussion on MVP rather than just the best performer or POTY. We all know a person can add value other than stats or production we can see in the box score. Mentoring, leadership, etc can all be a major part of a player's value, even if that player is part-time or less than a stellar performer themself. Who would we nominate as MVP for the O's as of now, and who will probably be that MVP at season's end? I know FF mentioned Millar. I would also mention ones such as Melvin Mora besides the obvious stat leaders in Bedard, Roberts, etc.... Thoughts? __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

07-25-2007, 01:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	With all due respect, I think you've got your definitions of MVP and POTY reversed. There is no way a part-time player (other than a pitcher) or a less-than-stellar performing player can be an MVP.... either of a team or a league. It's never happened and it ain't gonna happen. The term MVP is based on performance over an entire season and in as close to 162 games as possible. The term POTY is based, once again, on overcoming some sort of odds (including less-than-stellar abilities) on the way to becoming a major contributor in one way or another over a certain season. For example, in 1997, that recognition would have gone to Eric Davis, though Davis was certainly not the O's MVP that season. Last edited by feathered friend; 07-25-2007 at 02:00 PM.

07-25-2007, 02:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	Value is a subjective term... hence the subjective things such as leadership, "clutch", etc can be brought into that sort of discussion.... so in spite of the MLB using MVP as more like a POTY award (POTY being the best contributor or best performer that can be objectively measured)... I am putting the term value back to the subjective thing that it is.... __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

07-25-2007, 06:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	Well, I certainly agree that Major League Baseball's acceptable definition of MVP has evolved over the years..... as have it's prerequisites for the Cy Young and Gold Glove awards. Of course I don't agree with those either. But regardless of how they stretch it, a part-time player has and will never be chosen for a league MVP..... and that makes it highly unlikely for one to ever be chosen as a team MVP.