Perlozzo fired by Orioles

DiamondDave · 06-18-2007, 01:02 PM

We knew it was coming

Trembley is the interim... now to see who we can actually get in...

I am actually pulling for Davey Johnson's return...

Perlozzo fired by Orioles< - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

John F · 06-18-2007, 01:26 PM

Joe Girardi's name is surfacing as a possible replacement.

DiamondDave · 06-18-2007, 02:32 PM

Yeah... but I don't know if I am as stoked about him as others are.... not to say he has not done good things....

I think old school Davey Johnson ball can still work... and I think that is what this town and what this team needs moving forward

John F · 06-18-2007, 02:43 PM

Well, isn't it a contradiction to say "moving forward" and look back at the past? No offense to Johnson or the idea of Johnson as manager again but to move forward really necessitates a fresh start for both the fans and the franchise. To go back to Davey puts both Johnson and the players on teh roster in a certain expectation mold. The roster is not what it was in 1997 when the team was in the ALCS.

Moving forward can't be going back... The expectations would be too high and the fallout from not meeting those expectations would be too harsh (and misplaced -- as the blame would go to management for going back to Johnson).

dlb · 06-18-2007, 05:28 PM

Jack McKeon is available. I saw him in church the other day.

JoseA · 06-19-2007, 01:06 AM

All indicators show Joe Girardi seems like he is the guy for the job. Not sure if he wants it though.

The firing of Perlozzo was expected. The O's lost 8 consecutive games, and might I add all of those were home games. They also have the worst record in baseball...

Btw dlb must be neat to see Jack in church!

feathered friend · 06-19-2007, 07:34 AM

Joe Girardi is a stupid choice.

The Marlins responded to him last year because they were mostly inexperienced, but talented youngsters who didn't mind being herded like college cattle.

The wake-me-shake-me Orioles need a guy who manages by calling for fundamental execution of the game without talking down to his players..... someone who earns their respect by leading them as men, not children.

Perlozzo was somewhere in-between.

Davey Johnson was a jerk in 1996-1997 and still is.
With the superior talent he had to work with during those years he barely made the playoffs in '96, was fundamentally outmanaged by Mike Hargrove during them in '97, and then went on to help politicize and decontentionalize the Dodgers while he was in LA, never to be sought after by any major league club in their right mind thereafter.

Dusty Baker just might be the best man available.... and a relatively unproven dark horse could be Eddie Murray or Rick Dempsey.

DiamondDave · 06-19-2007, 07:56 AM

John....

I have to disagree... you cannot move forward by going back in talent... but you can go forward moving back to a style that helps the team... it is done in business, military, and even sports. I do not think a move to Johnson would be a move back... Johnson may or may not be a jerk, per se. But some rough and tumble, IMHO, is something this team needs

Nice to see someone mention Dempsey... I thought he would get his shot sooner or later... a knowledgeable guy, and truly a player's coach....

John F · 06-19-2007, 12:35 PM

If the O's went to Johnson, all I would say is thanks -- because the Rays wouldn't be finishing last in the division this year for sure. MLB is not the military and the game has evolved since Davey last managed.

Odds are it will be an unknown. Leo Mazone getting the gig might be in order though, as he has been one fo the best pitching coaches in the game for 15 years? (Pittsburgh and Atlanta under Leyland and Cox)

DiamondDave · 06-19-2007, 01:15 PM

Not saying that aspects of the game have not evolved.... but aspects in true leadership do not evolve so quickly...

No matter who the manager is this year... you guys could very well be above the O's... I thought we were in a battle for last place anyway, considering the crap signings we had in the off season... then following the injuries to younger hopefuls like Loewen and Penn, I was shocked when were were having moderate success (around .500) there for a while

feathered friend · 06-19-2007, 02:50 PM

Guthrie, Payton, Trachsel, Bako, Huff, Walker, Williamson, Bradford, Baez, Bynum, Millar brought back, Roberts extended.....

These are "crap" signings?

This team is one player away from being a championship caliber team.

Please read my post in the "The blame lies with...." thread.

DiamondDave · 06-19-2007, 04:59 PM

Besides Roberts... I generally say yes... other than Roberts, when the best thing you signed is Huff, that is pretty bad... granted Guthrie came out of nowhere.... but none of the others were anything more than filler material on any good team

This team is one GROUP of players away from being championship caliber...

feathered friend · 06-19-2007, 07:52 PM

You're entitled to your opinion.... but at least I gave a comprehensive hypothesis to support mine (see the other thread).

The players I mentioned are certainly not "crap".
As a team, they are not getting good results right now..... but name more than one or two games all season in which they've been blown out from the start.

These guys are battlers and know how to play the game.

ONE addition would make a tremendous difference.

DiamondDave · 06-19-2007, 08:07 PM

If that were Ted Williams or Walter Johnson coming back in their prime, it would make a difference...

Some of the players you praise or mention, Payton, Williamson, etc are nothing more than filler... 1 time wannabes in the ML at best (I.E. Payton has had 1 good season, zero outside of the friendly hitting confines of Colorado)...

I'm an O's fan... but I face reality with this club... while we have some bright semi-stars such as Roberts and Bedard, one or 2 who were lucky to make any team who may have a second chance at becoming good (Guthrie) or just as good of achance of returning to past form, and a couple that may emerge such as Markakis or Loewen... our biggest star is still Tejada, who has less power than ever and has almost become a defensive liability at SS... this is not a team on the brink of competing... this is a team with but a few pieces, that needs a BIG boost in many areas

feathered friend · 06-20-2007, 04:57 PM

Which league have you been watching?
Payton just had a good solid year last season in Oakland.
People have been trying to limit him to a secondary role his whole career, and he keeps emerging as more than that and spoiling their plans.

Just like Melvin Mora. Same limiting attitude from everyone for years, same positive results from Melvin himself.

Brian Roberts is an all-star... one of the best at his position.... period.

Huff is a proven power hitter, period.

Patterson is one of the 5 best center fielders in the game and one of the 5 best base stealers. He's a streaky hitter, but isn't everyone to some degree? We need to stop being so ready to yank guys out of their starting positions just because they reach the low points in their respective cycles. Everyone does.

Markakis is in his second year above AA, for gosh sakes.... and people are already adjusting the way they pitch to him from one at-bat to another. He's also a solid defensive player with a way above average arm and a future all-star.

Ramon Hernandez is one of the 5 best catchers in the AL, period.

Paul Bako is one of the best backup catchers in the game, period.

And simply because Tejada has had some lax moments in the field this season does not make him anywhere close to a liability there.... that's your most absurd notion of all.
He's also a dangerous and productive hitter who simply needs one more all-star in his supporting cast..... like Mark Texiera.

Texiera..... one man...... would make the same impact on this team as Frank Robinson made on the 1966 Orioles, as I pointed out in the other thread. He would be the catalystic superstar that would make this team a true team to be reckoned with.

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DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	Yeah... but I don't know if I am as stoked about him as others are.... not to say he has not done good things.... I think old school Davey Johnson ball can still work... and I think that is what this town and what this team needs moving forward __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

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JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	All indicators show Joe Girardi seems like he is the guy for the job. Not sure if he wants it though. The firing of Perlozzo was expected. The O's lost 8 consecutive games, and might I add all of those were home games. They also have the worst record in baseball... Btw dlb must be neat to see Jack in church! __________________ Register here and join the discussion

06-19-2007, 07:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	John.... I have to disagree... you cannot move forward by going back in talent... but you can go forward moving back to a style that helps the team... it is done in business, military, and even sports. I do not think a move to Johnson would be a move back... Johnson may or may not be a jerk, per se. But some rough and tumble, IMHO, is something this team needs Nice to see someone mention Dempsey... I thought he would get his shot sooner or later... a knowledgeable guy, and truly a player's coach.... __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

06-19-2007, 01:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	Not saying that aspects of the game have not evolved.... but aspects in true leadership do not evolve so quickly... No matter who the manager is this year... you guys could very well be above the O's... I thought we were in a battle for last place anyway, considering the crap signings we had in the off season... then following the injuries to younger hopefuls like Loewen and Penn, I was shocked when were were having moderate success (around .500) there for a while __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

06-18-2007, 01:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,497	Joe Girardi's name is surfacing as a possible replacement.

06-18-2007, 02:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,497	Well, isn't it a contradiction to say "moving forward" and look back at the past? No offense to Johnson or the idea of Johnson as manager again but to move forward really necessitates a fresh start for both the fans and the franchise. To go back to Davey puts both Johnson and the players on teh roster in a certain expectation mold. The roster is not what it was in 1997 when the team was in the ALCS. Moving forward can't be going back... The expectations would be too high and the fallout from not meeting those expectations would be too harsh (and misplaced -- as the blame would go to management for going back to Johnson).

06-18-2007, 05:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
dlb Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,101	Jack McKeon is available. I saw him in church the other day.

06-19-2007, 07:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	Joe Girardi is a stupid choice. The Marlins responded to him last year because they were mostly inexperienced, but talented youngsters who didn't mind being herded like college cattle. The wake-me-shake-me Orioles need a guy who manages by calling for fundamental execution of the game without talking down to his players..... someone who earns their respect by leading them as men, not children. Perlozzo was somewhere in-between. Davey Johnson was a jerk in 1996-1997 and still is. With the superior talent he had to work with during those years he barely made the playoffs in '96, was fundamentally outmanaged by Mike Hargrove during them in '97, and then went on to help politicize and decontentionalize the Dodgers while he was in LA, never to be sought after by any major league club in their right mind thereafter. Dusty Baker just might be the best man available.... and a relatively unproven dark horse could be Eddie Murray or Rick Dempsey.

06-19-2007, 12:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,497	If the O's went to Johnson, all I would say is thanks -- because the Rays wouldn't be finishing last in the division this year for sure. MLB is not the military and the game has evolved since Davey last managed. Odds are it will be an unknown. Leo Mazone getting the gig might be in order though, as he has been one fo the best pitching coaches in the game for 15 years? (Pittsburgh and Atlanta under Leyland and Cox)

06-19-2007, 02:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	Guthrie, Payton, Trachsel, Bako, Huff, Walker, Williamson, Bradford, Baez, Bynum, Millar brought back, Roberts extended..... These are "crap" signings? This team is one player away from being a championship caliber team. Please read my post in the "The blame lies with...." thread. Last edited by feathered friend; 06-19-2007 at 02:53 PM.

06-19-2007, 04:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	Besides Roberts... I generally say yes... other than Roberts, when the best thing you signed is Huff, that is pretty bad... granted Guthrie came out of nowhere.... but none of the others were anything more than filler material on any good team This team is one GROUP of players away from being championship caliber... __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

06-19-2007, 07:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	You're entitled to your opinion.... but at least I gave a comprehensive hypothesis to support mine (see the other thread). The players I mentioned are certainly not "crap". As a team, they are not getting good results right now..... but name more than one or two games all season in which they've been blown out from the start. These guys are battlers and know how to play the game. ONE addition would make a tremendous difference.

06-19-2007, 08:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	If that were Ted Williams or Walter Johnson coming back in their prime, it would make a difference... Some of the players you praise or mention, Payton, Williamson, etc are nothing more than filler... 1 time wannabes in the ML at best (I.E. Payton has had 1 good season, zero outside of the friendly hitting confines of Colorado)... I'm an O's fan... but I face reality with this club... while we have some bright semi-stars such as Roberts and Bedard, one or 2 who were lucky to make any team who may have a second chance at becoming good (Guthrie) or just as good of achance of returning to past form, and a couple that may emerge such as Markakis or Loewen... our biggest star is still Tejada, who has less power than ever and has almost become a defensive liability at SS... this is not a team on the brink of competing... this is a team with but a few pieces, that needs a BIG boost in many areas __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

06-20-2007, 04:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
feathered friend Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, Florida Posts: 56	Which league have you been watching? Payton just had a good solid year last season in Oakland. People have been trying to limit him to a secondary role his whole career, and he keeps emerging as more than that and spoiling their plans. Just like Melvin Mora. Same limiting attitude from everyone for years, same positive results from Melvin himself. Brian Roberts is an all-star... one of the best at his position.... period. Huff is a proven power hitter, period. Patterson is one of the 5 best center fielders in the game and one of the 5 best base stealers. He's a streaky hitter, but isn't everyone to some degree? We need to stop being so ready to yank guys out of their starting positions just because they reach the low points in their respective cycles. Everyone does. Markakis is in his second year above AA, for gosh sakes.... and people are already adjusting the way they pitch to him from one at-bat to another. He's also a solid defensive player with a way above average arm and a future all-star. Ramon Hernandez is one of the 5 best catchers in the AL, period. Paul Bako is one of the best backup catchers in the game, period. And simply because Tejada has had some lax moments in the field this season does not make him anywhere close to a liability there.... that's your most absurd notion of all. He's also a dangerous and productive hitter who simply needs one more all-star in his supporting cast..... like Mark Texiera. Texiera..... one man...... would make the same impact on this team as Frank Robinson made on the 1966 Orioles, as I pointed out in the other thread. He would be the catalystic superstar that would make this team a true team to be reckoned with. Last edited by feathered friend; 06-20-2007 at 06:52 PM.

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