A Crime upon humanity/KJ Hitting 8th

Perfect Cell · July 31st, 2007, 11:12 PM

don't know where he's going to hit yet," Chipper Jones said. "But hitting him in the four or five hole, you're pushing everybody down a spot. Now you've got a guy like Kelly Johnson, who is hitting .290 with a ton of extra-base hits hitting eighth and you've got Jeff Francoeur, who is leading the team in RBIs hitting seventh

Its what hcipper suggests but still its sooo moronic to play Willie at leadoff and KJ 8th.

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Snowman · July 31st, 2007, 11:30 PM

Yup, he should be leading off (full time!) with Willie/Diaz 8th.

diceman · August 1st, 2007, 12:17 AM

I'm guessing that Teixeira will bat 5th, with Bobbles hoping that will force pitchers to throw better stuff to Andruw. Not sure that would make a difference, though. I don't know what the answer is for KJ, but it sure is nice to see a strong lineup from top to bottom. I wouldn't mind KJ batting 6th and putting "free-swingin'" Frenchy in the eighth spot.

jecqua · August 1st, 2007, 11:59 AM

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KJ
ER
CJ
MT
BM
JF
AJ
PITCHER

Do we really care about hurting AJ's feelings as he will let Boras do his talking this offseason???

Also of note: We have 4 everyday players with at least a .300 b.a.!!

Snowman · August 1st, 2007, 03:06 PM

Seriously, Harris hit what, .230 in July? And that's including a 6-hit game. Take that out and it's more like .160. He had a nice freakish little good stretch, but now he's turned back into the same bad hitter he's been his entire career.

1. KJ
2. Rent
3. Chip
4. Tex
5. Mac
6. Andruw
7. Frenchman
8. Willie/Diaz
9. Pitcher

jpx7 · August 1st, 2007, 05:00 PM

Agreed, Snow. I really think Harris' PAs should taper off quickly, even against RHP; Diaz is clearly the better option in LF, but I could handle the platoon situation if both hit #8.

Harris has speed, and that is about it. Even if Diaz's discipline is not any better, when he swings he has demonstrated that he is much more likely to make good contact and obtain a hit.

Perfect Cell · August 1st, 2007, 10:22 PM

Does Harris really have speed if he keeps getting caught stealing?

Snowman · August 1st, 2007, 11:04 PM

Well, speed and baserunning skills are two separate things. A guy who has the former but not the latter can still leg out more base hits, stretch into an extra base more often, and go from 1st to third more often.

Not that that makes him particularly valuable in the case of an average Willie year, mind you.

jecqua · August 2nd, 2007, 07:14 AM

hhmmm...didn't realize harris had been that bad in July! But I feel Frenchy deserves to bat prior to Andruw...and what's up? Is Andruw hurt? Now is the time to sit down if there is a problem with his arm!

LongtimeBravesFan · August 2nd, 2007, 05:34 PM

In July, Harris went 20 for 83 for a .241 average. If you subtract his 6-6 game, he is at .182. His overall average went from .373 to .323 during the month.

Snowman · August 2nd, 2007, 08:41 PM

So a bit better than I thought, but still not good by any means.

jecqua · August 3rd, 2007, 06:51 AM

did fairly well in his 20 ab's last night

July 31st, 2007, 11:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Perfect Cell Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 215	A Crime upon humanity/KJ Hitting 8th don't know where he's going to hit yet," Chipper Jones said. "But hitting him in the four or five hole, you're pushing everybody down a spot. Now you've got a guy like Kelly Johnson, who is hitting .290 with a ton of extra-base hits hitting eighth and you've got Jeff Francoeur, who is leading the team in RBIs hitting seventh Its what hcipper suggests but still its sooo moronic to play Willie at leadoff and KJ 8th. The Official Site of The Atlanta Braves: News: Atlanta Braves News

July 31st, 2007, 11:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,340	Yup, he should be leading off (full time!) with Willie/Diaz 8th. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

August 1st, 2007, 12:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
diceman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Port Orange, Florida Posts: 1,330	I'm guessing that Teixeira will bat 5th, with Bobbles hoping that will force pitchers to throw better stuff to Andruw. Not sure that would make a difference, though. I don't know what the answer is for KJ, but it sure is nice to see a strong lineup from top to bottom. I wouldn't mind KJ batting 6th and putting "free-swingin'" Frenchy in the eighth spot. __________________ From "Bull Durham": Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry! Larry: Lollygaggers! Skip: Lollygaggers.

August 1st, 2007, 11:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
jecqua Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 654	WH KJ ER CJ MT BM JF AJ PITCHER Do we really care about hurting AJ's feelings as he will let Boras do his talking this offseason??? Also of note: We have 4 everyday players with at least a .300 b.a.!! Last edited by jecqua; August 1st, 2007 at 12:08 PM.

August 1st, 2007, 03:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,340	Seriously, Harris hit what, .230 in July? And that's including a 6-hit game. Take that out and it's more like .160. He had a nice freakish little good stretch, but now he's turned back into the same bad hitter he's been his entire career. 1. KJ 2. Rent 3. Chip 4. Tex 5. Mac 6. Andruw 7. Frenchman 8. Willie/Diaz 9. Pitcher __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

August 1st, 2007, 05:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
jpx7 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 568	Agreed, Snow. I really think Harris' PAs should taper off quickly, even against RHP; Diaz is clearly the better option in LF, but I could handle the platoon situation if both hit #8. Harris has speed, and that is about it. Even if Diaz's discipline is not any better, when he swings he has demonstrated that he is much more likely to make good contact and obtain a hit. Last edited by jpx7; August 2nd, 2007 at 03:24 AM. Reason: "is" is not "if"

August 1st, 2007, 10:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
Perfect Cell Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 215	Does Harris really have speed if he keeps getting caught stealing?

August 1st, 2007, 11:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,340	Well, speed and baserunning skills are two separate things. A guy who has the former but not the latter can still leg out more base hits, stretch into an extra base more often, and go from 1st to third more often. Not that that makes him particularly valuable in the case of an average Willie year, mind you. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

August 2nd, 2007, 07:14 AM	#9 (permalink)
jecqua Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 654	hhmmm...didn't realize harris had been that bad in July! But I feel Frenchy deserves to bat prior to Andruw...and what's up? Is Andruw hurt? Now is the time to sit down if there is a problem with his arm!

August 2nd, 2007, 05:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
LongtimeBravesFan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,676	In July, Harris went 20 for 83 for a .241 average. If you subtract his 6-6 game, he is at .182. His overall average went from .373 to .323 during the month.

August 2nd, 2007, 08:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,340	So a bit better than I thought, but still not good by any means. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

August 3rd, 2007, 06:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
jecqua Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 654	did fairly well in his 20 ab's last night