Giles

MikeT · 11-21-2006, 09:40 PM

I know he is due a raise but do the Braves have to trade him?

After a down season for him , the raise may not be as much as it once was.
Marcus is not a lead off hitter that was evident this past season.His best spot is the 2 hole.But Rentria also likes the 2 hole.So who would you keep?
Thoughts?

rlwhite · 11-21-2006, 10:38 PM

I'd like to keep him, and I don't think the raise matters much, but typically small players like Giles peak early. His value may never go back up.

If the Braves can get more than just a reliever for him, trade him. If not might as well keep him and let him walk next year for draft picks.

texasleaguer · 11-21-2006, 11:10 PM

Gotta keep Giles. Even at 5 million, with the money being thrown around, he's a bargain. Not to mention the guys rumored to be replacing him can't hold a candle to him offensively.

Metaphysicist · 11-21-2006, 11:45 PM

I think it is a requirement that Braves management always sell low.

Lenny · 11-22-2006, 08:49 AM

ok, I know this is going to be an out there question, but what about Willy Aybar? Can he play second, can he lead off, and is he good enough to be an everyday player? If the answer to those 3 questions is yes, then I think we have a better choice for second already.

By the way, is he playing winter ball? Does anyone know?

bravejo · 11-22-2006, 10:32 AM

Like most here, I would love to keep Giles, but according to all rumors, he's gone. But, then again, what are rumors?

OTOH, I definitely wouldn't let Renteria go. He's signed and we know what the cost is and we are set at SS for a few years. If we trade Renteria to keep Giles, we may very well have neither if we can't sign Giles, which is at least iffy.

No way do I want to lose Renteria.

argh · 11-22-2006, 09:23 PM

I agree with texasleaguer.... 5 million is very affordable in this day and age.

MikeT · 11-22-2006, 09:30 PM

texas I'm with you , they have to keep Giles.
Aybar is filling the role that Derosa did a few years ago.
Some how JS has to find a way to keep Giles and Rentria.

I do not think the $80 million dollar cap will stick but who knows.

Snowman · 11-23-2006, 05:48 AM

Personally, I'd rather sell high on Renteria this winter and keep Giles, but it really doesn't look as if I'll get that wish.

texasleaguer · 11-23-2006, 01:04 PM

Yeah Snowman, I agree. Renteria got off to such a great start, people look at his numbers and don't realize he was terrible in the 2nd half.

Lenny · 11-23-2006, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texasleaguer

Yeah Snowman, I agree. Renteria got off to such a great start, people look at his numbers and don't realize he was terrible in the 2nd half.

That's all I think about is the second half with him. I wonder who will be there next year, the first half player or the second half player. He has had a lot of ups and downs in his career so I can't say that I'm sold on him, but it would be hard to replace him for the money we are paying for him now.

Metaphysicist · 11-23-2006, 03:21 PM

What Snowman and TL said is 300% accurate.

Snowman · 11-23-2006, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny

I wonder who will be there next year, the first half player or the second half player. .

I really expect the second half player. Everyone kept talking as if he had only had the one bad year, and it was because "he didn't like playing in the AL." The fact is, his one year in Boston was almost identical to his last year in St. Louie, and they were both almost identical to what he did in the second half in Atlanta.

Or, to back that up... Renteria's OPS in 2004 with StL: .728. 2005 with the BoSox: .720. First half of 2006 with the Braves: .861. Second half of 2006 with the Braves: .722.

That's a pattern in my book.

BravesRule22 · 11-23-2006, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texasleaguer

Gotta keep Giles. Even at 5 million, with the money being thrown around, he's a bargain. Not to mention the guys rumored to be replacing him can't hold a candle to him offensively.

Very true, although it would make it less painful if Esco or Aybar was the 2B rather than Prado.

Either way though, I do NOT want to see Giles traded

Yogi44 · 11-23-2006, 08:44 PM

I almost believe I'd like to see if JS can work a deal to trade Andruw (I don't want too, but you don't always get what you want). If that works out (still think Boras will tell him to invoke 10/5), then you use some of that money to keep Giles. Otherwise trade Giles.

BTW, great to see familar names.

11-21-2006, 09:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
MikeT Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,492	Giles I know he is due a raise but do the Braves have to trade him? After a down season for him , the raise may not be as much as it once was. Marcus is not a lead off hitter that was evident this past season.His best spot is the 2 hole.But Rentria also likes the 2 hole.So who would you keep? Thoughts?

11-22-2006, 10:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
bravejo Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13	Keeping Giles Like most here, I would love to keep Giles, but according to all rumors, he's gone. But, then again, what are rumors? OTOH, I definitely wouldn't let Renteria go. He's signed and we know what the cost is and we are set at SS for a few years. If we trade Renteria to keep Giles, we may very well have neither if we can't sign Giles, which is at least iffy. No way do I want to lose Renteria.

11-23-2006, 03:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Metaphysicist Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 117	What those old guys said... What Snowman and TL said is 300% accurate.

11-21-2006, 10:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
rlwhite Rookie Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4	I'd like to keep him, and I don't think the raise matters much, but typically small players like Giles peak early. His value may never go back up. If the Braves can get more than just a reliever for him, trade him. If not might as well keep him and let him walk next year for draft picks.

11-21-2006, 11:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
texasleaguer Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 48	Gotta keep Giles. Even at 5 million, with the money being thrown around, he's a bargain. Not to mention the guys rumored to be replacing him can't hold a candle to him offensively.

11-21-2006, 11:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Metaphysicist Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 117	I think it is a requirement that Braves management always sell low.

11-22-2006, 08:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Lenny Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 240	ok, I know this is going to be an out there question, but what about Willy Aybar? Can he play second, can he lead off, and is he good enough to be an everyday player? If the answer to those 3 questions is yes, then I think we have a better choice for second already. By the way, is he playing winter ball? Does anyone know?

11-22-2006, 09:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
argh New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4	I agree with texasleaguer.... 5 million is very affordable in this day and age.

11-22-2006, 09:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
MikeT Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,492	texas I'm with you , they have to keep Giles. Aybar is filling the role that Derosa did a few years ago. Some how JS has to find a way to keep Giles and Rentria. I do not think the $80 million dollar cap will stick but who knows.

11-23-2006, 05:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,299	Personally, I'd rather sell high on Renteria this winter and keep Giles, but it really doesn't look as if I'll get that wish.

11-23-2006, 01:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
texasleaguer Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 48	Yeah Snowman, I agree. Renteria got off to such a great start, people look at his numbers and don't realize he was terrible in the 2nd half.

11-23-2006, 08:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
Yogi44 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: McGee's Crossroads, NC Posts: 253	I almost believe I'd like to see if JS can work a deal to trade Andruw (I don't want too, but you don't always get what you want). If that works out (still think Boras will tell him to invoke 10/5), then you use some of that money to keep Giles. Otherwise trade Giles. BTW, great to see familar names.