The Hackin' Road Warriors vs. The pFilthies 5/13 - Page 4

GenericBravesFan · 05-13-2008, 08:49 PM

Norton...blech. Leave him to PHing, bobby...

pfiggy · 05-13-2008, 08:55 PM

JoJo leaves after 6.2 with a cool 11 hitter, 105 pitches, 4 er's, 5 k's, and 0 KolBB's

Snowman · 05-13-2008, 09:09 PM

How bad is it that I now feel better about our chances of a comeback because it is no longer a one-run game?

pfiggy · 05-13-2008, 09:17 PM

Not bad Snow, ah pfeel we can get one run back this inning and make it another one run loss......

pfiggy · 05-13-2008, 09:21 PM

C'mon Cheepster....

pfiggy · 05-13-2008, 09:23 PM

Damn, just got a hair under it.....c'mon Heap....

pfiggy · 05-13-2008, 09:26 PM

there it is, now Norton can make the pfinal out and we're screwed again.....oops Nortie walks, but never pfear the Hackster has arrived at the plate.....

MikeT · 05-13-2008, 09:29 PM

Hacka lot is gonna screw us..

pfiggy · 05-13-2008, 09:30 PM

Swings at ball one, wtg son....swings at ball two, u idiot, let's a ball go by, yea....swings at ball pfour and pflies out to right... jeebus......good night.

GenericBravesFan · 05-13-2008, 09:31 PM

Sad ending

Snowman · 05-13-2008, 09:31 PM

You called that one, pfigster.

Snowman · 05-13-2008, 09:34 PM

38 games in, and we're back at .500 and 4 games below our pythagorean record... which doesn't sound so bad if you don't look at the fact that it is the difference between a .500 and a .613 winning percentage.

That is, of course, entirely due to our ridiculous record in one-run games, which is a bit mystifying in itself. Usually that denotes a bad bullpen, and it was very true in the first couple of weeks... the bullpen sucked, took almost every loss the team had, had an ERA over 6, and most of the losses were of the one-run variety. But since then they've been lights out, dropped that ERA below 4, and yet the one-run losses keep coming.

I mean, damn... how do you outscore your opponents by 41 runs in 38 games (184-143) and be a .500 team?

renny · 05-13-2008, 09:47 PM

Because..... a dozen or so times we score 25 runs in a blowout against a crappy pitcher and a slumping team..... then score one less run than the other team the rest of the time. That's how they do it. sucks

rniki10 · 05-13-2008, 10:02 PM

I think the large run differential is due to the fact that this team looks like the best team ever at home so far this season. They have gone through entire series giving up about 3 or 4 runs, while scoring in bunches.

That being said, almost every single game on the road is close (which I guess makes it so much harder to take). So you would expect that they would atleast make them .500 on the road. However, if that was actually the case, this team would easier be leading the division.

Snowman · 05-13-2008, 10:38 PM

Hmm, talk about your extremes...

So, I decided to break up our record into completely arbitrary sections: those games in which we scored 3 runs or fewer, those games in which we scored 4,5, or 6 runs, and those games in which we scored 7 or more.

Scored:
3 or fewer: 3-14 (.176)
4-6: 7-4 (.636)
7 or more: 9-1 (.900)

With absolutely nothing to back it up, my gut says that the record in gams in which we scored 3 or fewer is abnormally low. I would expect it to bad, but more like .400 bad, or maybe even .350 bad. This would make think that perhaps, despite our good ERA, our pitching staff is having a lot of good games and not a lot of really good games. So let's do the same thing by runs allowed.

Allowed:
3 or fewer: 15-4 (.789)
4-6: 3-12 (.200)
7 or more: 1-3 (.250)

Well, this time it's when our pitching is average that the results are extraordinarily low, which would point the finger back at the hitters. Hell, this team is a Moebius strip.

Our scores in the one-run games: 2-3, 11-12, 3-4, 1-2, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 3-4, 2-3, 5-4, 2-3, 4-5.

So, we have four games where our pitching was good and our hitting failed, three 4-3 losses, which is basically our pitching being slightly above average and our hitting struggling, four games in which out hitting and pitching were both rather average (and our one win in this group falls in here), one game in which our hitting was average and our pitching stunk, and one game in which our hitting was awesome and our pitching stunk.

So it would seem that a good bit of the onus falls on the early inconsistency of the hitting (something I think will improve as we begin to get more from 1B, LF, and RF, even though C, 3B and SS should all regress some), but there just also seems to be an element of.... not-firing-on-all-cylinders-a-lot-of-the-time-ness.... here. When our pitching is average, out hitting isn't good enough. When our pitching struggles, they struggle by too large a margin for the hitters to overcome. And when they're both in that rough average range, we find a way to fall short far too often.

05-13-2008, 09:09 PM	#48 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,302	How bad is it that I now feel better about our chances of a comeback because it is no longer a one-run game? __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

05-13-2008, 09:29 PM	#53 (permalink)
MikeT Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,496	Hacka lot is gonna screw us.. __________________ You can lead a man to Congress, but you can't make him think. Milton Berle

05-13-2008, 09:31 PM	#56 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,302	You called that one, pfigster. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

05-13-2008, 09:34 PM	#57 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,302	38 games in, and we're back at .500 and 4 games below our pythagorean record... which doesn't sound so bad if you don't look at the fact that it is the difference between a .500 and a .613 winning percentage. That is, of course, entirely due to our ridiculous record in one-run games, which is a bit mystifying in itself. Usually that denotes a bad bullpen, and it was very true in the first couple of weeks... the bullpen sucked, took almost every loss the team had, had an ERA over 6, and most of the losses were of the one-run variety. But since then they've been lights out, dropped that ERA below 4, and yet the one-run losses keep coming. I mean, damn... how do you outscore your opponents by 41 runs in 38 games (184-143) and be a .500 team? __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college. Last edited by Snowman; 05-13-2008 at 09:37 PM.

05-13-2008, 09:47 PM	#58 (permalink)
renny Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: along side the veteran presents `) Posts: 1,988	Because..... a dozen or so times we score 25 runs in a blowout against a crappy pitcher and a slumping team..... then score one less run than the other team the rest of the time. That's how they do it. sucks __________________ "We'll be back next year. We always are, aren't we?" -P Greg Maddux

05-13-2008, 08:49 PM	#46 (permalink)
GenericBravesFan Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 931	Norton...blech. Leave him to PHing, bobby...

05-13-2008, 08:55 PM	#47 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,637	JoJo leaves after 6.2 with a cool 11 hitter, 105 pitches, 4 er's, 5 k's, and 0 KolBB's

05-13-2008, 09:17 PM	#49 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,637	Not bad Snow, ah pfeel we can get one run back this inning and make it another one run loss......

05-13-2008, 09:21 PM	#50 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,637	C'mon Cheepster....

05-13-2008, 09:23 PM	#51 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,637	Damn, just got a hair under it.....c'mon Heap....

05-13-2008, 09:26 PM	#52 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,637	there it is, now Norton can make the pfinal out and we're screwed again.....oops Nortie walks, but never pfear the Hackster has arrived at the plate.....

05-13-2008, 09:30 PM	#54 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,637	Swings at ball one, wtg son....swings at ball two, u idiot, let's a ball go by, yea....swings at ball pfour and pflies out to right... jeebus......good night.

05-13-2008, 09:31 PM	#55 (permalink)
GenericBravesFan Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 931	Sad ending

05-13-2008, 10:02 PM	#59 (permalink)
rniki10 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 72	I think the large run differential is due to the fact that this team looks like the best team ever at home so far this season. They have gone through entire series giving up about 3 or 4 runs, while scoring in bunches. That being said, almost every single game on the road is close (which I guess makes it so much harder to take). So you would expect that they would atleast make them .500 on the road. However, if that was actually the case, this team would easier be leading the division.

05-13-2008, 10:38 PM	#60 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,302	Hmm, talk about your extremes... So, I decided to break up our record into completely arbitrary sections: those games in which we scored 3 runs or fewer, those games in which we scored 4,5, or 6 runs, and those games in which we scored 7 or more. Scored: 3 or fewer: 3-14 (.176) 4-6: 7-4 (.636) 7 or more: 9-1 (.900) With absolutely nothing to back it up, my gut says that the record in gams in which we scored 3 or fewer is abnormally low. I would expect it to bad, but more like .400 bad, or maybe even .350 bad. This would make think that perhaps, despite our good ERA, our pitching staff is having a lot of good games and not a lot of really good games. So let's do the same thing by runs allowed. Allowed: 3 or fewer: 15-4 (.789) 4-6: 3-12 (.200) 7 or more: 1-3 (.250) Well, this time it's when our pitching is average that the results are extraordinarily low, which would point the finger back at the hitters. Hell, this team is a Moebius strip. Our scores in the one-run games: 2-3, 11-12, 3-4, 1-2, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 3-4, 2-3, 5-4, 2-3, 4-5. So, we have four games where our pitching was good and our hitting failed, three 4-3 losses, which is basically our pitching being slightly above average and our hitting struggling, four games in which out hitting and pitching were both rather average (and our one win in this group falls in here), one game in which our hitting was average and our pitching stunk, and one game in which our hitting was awesome and our pitching stunk. So it would seem that a good bit of the onus falls on the early inconsistency of the hitting (something I think will improve as we begin to get more from 1B, LF, and RF, even though C, 3B and SS should all regress some), but there just also seems to be an element of.... not-firing-on-all-cylinders-a-lot-of-the-time-ness.... here. When our pitching is average, out hitting isn't good enough. When our pitching struggles, they struggle by too large a margin for the hitters to overcome. And when they're both in that rough average range, we find a way to fall short far too often. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.