Braves Trade for Ohman and Infante

Yogi44 · December 4th, 2007, 11:45 AM

ESPN - Braves add bullpen, infield depth in deal with Cubs - MLB

MikeT · December 4th, 2007, 05:42 PM

To make room on its 40-man roster, Atlanta designated speedy outfielder Willie Harris for assignment. Harris batted .270 with two homers, 32 RBIs and a .349 on-base percentage this season. He stole 17 bases in 28 attempts and scored 56 runs. He also had 20 doubles and eight triples.

Thank God!

D55 · December 5th, 2007, 06:06 AM

Seems like a decent deal for a pitcher we didn't really see here long term anyway.
Wonder if the Marlins deal will weaken them much.

Snowman · December 5th, 2007, 09:27 AM

I'll just regurgitate what I said in the other thread: We just traded Ascanio for a slightly younger Pete Orr (who, as PC pointed out, can play SS, which Pete couldn't) and an older, less talented version of Villareal who cannot pitch as many innings and who is, by all accounts in Chicago, a huge clubhouse cancer.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

renny · December 5th, 2007, 10:13 AM

I agree with the consensus here (actually the feelings expressed over in pfig's thread)- it is starting to feel like Wren is acquiring a multitiude of mediocre pieces- hoping something sticks. I'd rather he aim for one or two quality pieces or just hold and make any necessary moves closer to the start of the season.

BravesRule22 · December 5th, 2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

I'll just regurgitate what I said in the other thread: We just traded Ascanio for a slightly younger Pete Orr (who, as PC pointed out, can play SS, which Pete couldn't) and an older, less talented version of Villareal who cannot pitch as many innings and who is, by all accounts in Chicago, a huge clubhouse cancer.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

Infante in the 1 season where he got to start full time had a pretty damn good year. 264 avg, 16 HRs, 101 OPS +....Hes alot better than Pete Orr & can also play not only SS but CF too

As for Ohman, he is death on LHers. 196 career average

Snowman · December 5th, 2007, 12:39 PM

Infante's lone league average season came in 2004. It has been surrounded by four other seasons in which he has been unable to hit even remotely close to a major league quality level. and in 3 of those terrible years he has had at least 221 PAs, once 434. I'd hardly call that seldom use.

Or, to put it in a different light, Chris Woodward had an above-league-average year in 2002. With the exception of his year in Atlanta, he's been pretty equal to Infante since, though.

Lefty/righty splits don't really help us. Remember, Bobby just does not use pitchers that way. When he brings the lefty in to face the lefty, he'll also face those two righties behind him nine times out of ten.

BravesRule22 · December 5th, 2007, 01:19 PM

Ill put it this way then

I feel alot better with Infante up there than Peterson, Prado or Woodward

jpx7 · December 6th, 2007, 11:13 AM

To make room on its 40-man roster, Atlanta designated speedy outfielder Willie Harris for assignment.

This is the big positive to the deal.

I am also hoping Ohman will pitch better out of Wrigley – his home/road splits are fairly extreme: 6.63 ERA, 12 HR, 52 BB in 74.6 career home-innings; 2.32 ERA, 5 HR, 32 BB in 85.3 career road-innings. He also sports a solid strikeout-rate of 9.34 K/9 over his career, and has held left-handers to a .613 OPS, which will help – even with Cox's misuse.

As for Infante – at least he's a right-hander and can "play" six positions, which are two things he has on Pete Orr; he will likely be fairly unproductive, but he can't be worse than the guy who wished he was Bobby Orr.

December 4th, 2007, 11:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
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MikeT Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,591	To make room on its 40-man roster, Atlanta designated speedy outfielder Willie Harris for assignment. Harris batted .270 with two homers, 32 RBIs and a .349 on-base percentage this season. He stole 17 bases in 28 attempts and scored 56 runs. He also had 20 doubles and eight triples. Thank God! __________________ You can lead a man to Congress, but you can't make him think. Milton Berle

December 5th, 2007, 09:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,335	I'll just regurgitate what I said in the other thread: We just traded Ascanio for a slightly younger Pete Orr (who, as PC pointed out, can play SS, which Pete couldn't) and an older, less talented version of Villareal who cannot pitch as many innings and who is, by all accounts in Chicago, a huge clubhouse cancer. Makes no sense whatsoever. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

December 5th, 2007, 10:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
renny Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: along side the veteran presents `) Posts: 2,038	I agree with the consensus here (actually the feelings expressed over in pfig's thread)- it is starting to feel like Wren is acquiring a multitiude of mediocre pieces- hoping something sticks. I'd rather he aim for one or two quality pieces or just hold and make any necessary moves closer to the start of the season. __________________ "We'll be back next year. We always are, aren't we?" -P Greg Maddux

December 5th, 2007, 12:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,335	Infante's lone league average season came in 2004. It has been surrounded by four other seasons in which he has been unable to hit even remotely close to a major league quality level. and in 3 of those terrible years he has had at least 221 PAs, once 434. I'd hardly call that seldom use. Or, to put it in a different light, Chris Woodward had an above-league-average year in 2002. With the exception of his year in Atlanta, he's been pretty equal to Infante since, though. Lefty/righty splits don't really help us. Remember, Bobby just does not use pitchers that way. When he brings the lefty in to face the lefty, he'll also face those two righties behind him nine times out of ten. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

December 5th, 2007, 06:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
D55 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 374	Seems like a decent deal for a pitcher we didn't really see here long term anyway. Wonder if the Marlins deal will weaken them much.

December 5th, 2007, 01:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	Ill put it this way then I feel alot better with Infante up there than Peterson, Prado or Woodward __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

December 6th, 2007, 11:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
jpx7 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 568	To make room on its 40-man roster, Atlanta designated speedy outfielder Willie Harris for assignment. This is the big positive to the deal. I am also hoping Ohman will pitch better out of Wrigley – his home/road splits are fairly extreme: 6.63 ERA, 12 HR, 52 BB in 74.6 career home-innings; 2.32 ERA, 5 HR, 32 BB in 85.3 career road-innings. He also sports a solid strikeout-rate of 9.34 K/9 over his career, and has held left-handers to a .613 OPS, which will help – even with Cox's misuse. As for Infante – at least he's a right-hander and can "play" six positions, which are two things he has on Pete Orr; he will likely be fairly unproductive, but he can't be worse than the guy who wished he was Bobby Orr.