Andruw Jones - Page 2

renny · December 3rd, 2007, 07:11 PM

Well, now, instead of one year to prove '07 was a fluke year - he'll have two. He made need it. I agree with bedell, it'll be Dodger Bluw for Druw.

Nobody knows Andruw better than the Bob. I think more than budget caused the Braves to shy away from him. They may feel that his body has taken a beating and that he's already reached his peak. He'll never be worth the highest they've already paid him.

jpx7 · December 3rd, 2007, 08:03 PM

I have a little more faith in Andruw than that, and I hope he excels in LA or wherever he lands — though never at the Braves' expense, of course.

I'd like to see him in Petco with Maddux, but it would kill his power numbers so it obviously isn't a fit; Andruw should really look at some offensive home parks, such as Texas or even Colorado, if he wants to rebuild value. Of course, at this point Boras is still holding firm on the long-term demands.

Snowman · December 3rd, 2007, 08:13 PM

Well, Chavez Ravine isn't the home run death park it used to be, but it still isn't a good fit for his swing, IMO.

Metaphysicist · December 3rd, 2007, 09:52 PM

Bah, I still say we should bring him back.

Stupid Frank Wren and his stupid "budget"...

jpx7 · December 3rd, 2007, 10:37 PM

That may be sarcasm (I'm not reading it as such, and I usually pride myself on sensitivity to the subtly sardonic), but I honestly think Andruw Jones was the perfect option for the 2008 Braves, if Wren et al really want excellent defense and a one-year option: through arbitration, he would be cost-controlled, and with the reception he's had on the current free-agent market, he might have accepted.

Wren would just have to sell McGuirk and ownership on a one-year budget "bump" – with a corresponding deflation in 2009: Hampton is off the books, Glavine is likely retired, Schafer should be (hopefully) ascending to CF, and younger pitchers will (hopefully) be ready to step up in the rotation. Such a plan for 2008 wouldn't even preclude a Teixeira extension, as an extra $6 million in 2008 could be included with this "bump," and his 2009 salary would be more-than-compensated by the obligations departing the Braves following 2008.

Snowman · December 4th, 2007, 06:42 AM

I just don't see any way that he would ever accept arby or a one year deal. Again, Torii Hunter got 5 yrs at $18 million per. Andruw has been about twice as good as Torii Hunter in his career, and he's a year younger.

Snowman · December 4th, 2007, 06:50 AM

The Royals are apparently jumping in on the bidding. They only want to give him two years as well, though.

renny · December 4th, 2007, 10:34 AM

Regardless of where Andruw ultimately signs, the longer he waits, the fewer his options. Royals are keying in on Jose Guillen - Dodgers may now settle for Mike Cameron - and Aaron Rowand is still available.

I was not bashing AJ (would still take him back), but could the Braves truly not afford one more year at 15 million, or do they feel there's a chance he doesn't rebound enough to justify that kind of money?

If I'm not mistaken, our budget now stands at around 90 million.

Snowman · December 4th, 2007, 02:40 PM

Apparently Andruw thinks the Dodgers offer is laughable.

Inside the Dodgers

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The Dodgers' brief flirtation with free-agent center fielder Andruw Jones came to an abrupt end -- for now, anyway -- after club officials spoke on Monday with Scott Boras, the Newport Beach-based agent who represents Jones.
``We are nowhere close to a deal,'' Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said. ``I had the intention of making an offer, but as it stands, it would have been foolish to do so.''
Colletti left the door open to continue negotiations, but only slightly.
``I'm not sure how we would explore it from here when the distance is that great,'' Colletti said. ``Those explorations would probably have to come from the other side.''
Boras is believed to be seeking a contract for Jones, a 10-time Gold Glove winner while with Atlanta, in the neighborhood of the five-year, $90 million deal center fielder Torii Hunter signed last week with the Angels.

bedell · December 5th, 2007, 11:29 PM

MLB report Druw to Dodgers -- 2 year, $36 mil deal.

The Official Site of Major League Baseball: News: Major League Baseball News

Metaphysicist · December 6th, 2007, 12:02 AM

Wow, 21 mil this year, with the signing bonus included. That's pretty good, if I say so myself.

Can't help but think he would have taken a bunch less if we had even pretended to be interested.

Snowman · December 6th, 2007, 10:02 AM

I'll copy the prediction I made on another board this morning:

.240/.330/.440, 30 homers. A very expensive slightly above average centerfielder.

Snowman · December 6th, 2007, 10:40 AM

Of course, the huge negative for the Dodgers here is that rather than benching Pierre or finding some sucker to take him and part of his contract off of their hands, they will instead move Pierre to left and trade Matt Kemp.

GenericBravesFan · December 6th, 2007, 11:17 AM

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Can't help but think he would have taken a bunch less if we had even pretended to be interested.

Not that I disagree with you, Meta, but how much less do you think Andruw really would have taken?

Metaphysicist · December 6th, 2007, 04:06 PM

Oh I don't know. He made 13.5 mil last year. I think that as much as he loves Bobby, he could have been persuaded to re-sign for about that much on a one or two year deal.

Looking at the details of how the signing bonus is spread out, here are how the years break down: (08) - 14.1; (09) - 17.1; (10) - 5. 14 million is barely even a pay raise, and we probably could have gotten a hometown discount on the 17.1 mil in '09.

But we never even tried. F+ for the front office on this one.

December 3rd, 2007, 07:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
renny Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: along side the veteran presents `) Posts: 2,038	Well, now, instead of one year to prove '07 was a fluke year - he'll have two. He made need it. I agree with bedell, it'll be Dodger Bluw for Druw. Nobody knows Andruw better than the Bob. I think more than budget caused the Braves to shy away from him. They may feel that his body has taken a beating and that he's already reached his peak. He'll never be worth the highest they've already paid him. __________________ "We'll be back next year. We always are, aren't we?" -P Greg Maddux Last edited by renny; December 3rd, 2007 at 07:18 PM. Reason: nOBODY

December 3rd, 2007, 08:13 PM	#18 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,335	Well, Chavez Ravine isn't the home run death park it used to be, but it still isn't a good fit for his swing, IMO. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

December 3rd, 2007, 10:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
jpx7 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 568	That may be sarcasm (I'm not reading it as such, and I usually pride myself on sensitivity to the subtly sardonic), but I honestly think Andruw Jones was the perfect option for the 2008 Braves, if Wren et al really want excellent defense and a one-year option: through arbitration, he would be cost-controlled, and with the reception he's had on the current free-agent market, he might have accepted. Wren would just have to sell McGuirk and ownership on a one-year budget "bump" – with a corresponding deflation in 2009: Hampton is off the books, Glavine is likely retired, Schafer should be (hopefully) ascending to CF, and younger pitchers will (hopefully) be ready to step up in the rotation. Such a plan for 2008 wouldn't even preclude a Teixeira extension, as an extra $6 million in 2008 could be included with this "bump," and his 2009 salary would be more-than-compensated by the obligations departing the Braves following 2008. Last edited by jpx7; December 3rd, 2007 at 10:40 PM.

December 4th, 2007, 06:42 AM	#21 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,335	I just don't see any way that he would ever accept arby or a one year deal. Again, Torii Hunter got 5 yrs at $18 million per. Andruw has been about twice as good as Torii Hunter in his career, and he's a year younger. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

December 4th, 2007, 06:50 AM	#22 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,335	The Royals are apparently jumping in on the bidding. They only want to give him two years as well, though. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

December 3rd, 2007, 08:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
jpx7 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 568	I have a little more faith in Andruw than that, and I hope he excels in LA or wherever he lands — though never at the Braves' expense, of course. I'd like to see him in Petco with Maddux, but it would kill his power numbers so it obviously isn't a fit; Andruw should really look at some offensive home parks, such as Texas or even Colorado, if he wants to rebuild value. Of course, at this point Boras is still holding firm on the long-term demands.

December 3rd, 2007, 09:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
Metaphysicist Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 117	Bah, I still say we should bring him back. Stupid Frank Wren and his stupid "budget"...

December 4th, 2007, 10:34 AM	#23 (permalink)
renny Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: along side the veteran presents `) Posts: 2,038	Regardless of where Andruw ultimately signs, the longer he waits, the fewer his options. Royals are keying in on Jose Guillen - Dodgers may now settle for Mike Cameron - and Aaron Rowand is still available. I was not bashing AJ (would still take him back), but could the Braves truly not afford one more year at 15 million, or do they feel there's a chance he doesn't rebound enough to justify that kind of money? If I'm not mistaken, our budget now stands at around 90 million. __________________ "We'll be back next year. We always are, aren't we?" -P Greg Maddux

December 5th, 2007, 11:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
bedell Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 211	MLB report Druw to Dodgers -- 2 year, $36 mil deal. The Official Site of Major League Baseball: News: Major League Baseball News __________________ Slainte!

December 6th, 2007, 12:02 AM	#26 (permalink)
Metaphysicist Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 117	Wow, 21 mil this year, with the signing bonus included. That's pretty good, if I say so myself. Can't help but think he would have taken a bunch less if we had even pretended to be interested.

December 6th, 2007, 10:02 AM	#27 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,335	I'll copy the prediction I made on another board this morning: .240/.330/.440, 30 homers. A very expensive slightly above average centerfielder. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

December 6th, 2007, 10:40 AM	#28 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,335	Of course, the huge negative for the Dodgers here is that rather than benching Pierre or finding some sucker to take him and part of his contract off of their hands, they will instead move Pierre to left and trade Matt Kemp. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

December 6th, 2007, 04:06 PM	#30 (permalink)
Metaphysicist Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 117	Oh I don't know. He made 13.5 mil last year. I think that as much as he loves Bobby, he could have been persuaded to re-sign for about that much on a one or two year deal. Looking at the details of how the signing bonus is spread out, here are how the years break down: (08) - 14.1; (09) - 17.1; (10) - 5. 14 million is barely even a pay raise, and we probably could have gotten a hometown discount on the 17.1 mil in '09. But we never even tried. F+ for the front office on this one.