Would you want A-Rod?

LongtimeBravesFan · 10-22-2007, 07:32 PM

If we could trade Renterria for some good young pitchers, would you want the team to make a play for A-Rod if he opts out with the Yankees?

I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Snowman · 10-22-2007, 07:43 PM

If we had a $120+ million payroll, without a doubt. As it is, no.

D55 · 10-23-2007, 03:21 PM

It would be nice to see him here but doesn't he want to play for a playoff team?

Tsk, Tsk....

renny · 10-23-2007, 04:16 PM

...that, and he's already deliriously happy with all the rings he's acquired so far playing for the Yankees.

NadoBrave · 10-23-2007, 05:26 PM

To me, he's a major albatross as the Yankmees learned. 0 WS rings since his arrival & a no show in the PS despite his regular season performance... Hmm remind you of someone else in the NL? I want more for my $$ than that.

My prediction: he won't leave NY as no one is gonna pony up Borass type money if he opts as he won't get that in the open market with the Yankmees out of the picture.

renny · 10-23-2007, 05:41 PM

Have been wondering, Nado - has your home (and family) been spared from the fires?

bedell · 10-23-2007, 06:40 PM

If the payroll was 150m maybe.

Snowman · 10-23-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NadoBrave

To me, he's a major albatross as the Yankmees learned. 0 WS rings since his arrival & a no show in the PS despite his regular season performance... Hmm remind you of someone else in the NL? I want more for my $$ than that.

My prediction: he won't leave NY as no one is gonna pony up Borass type money if he opts as he won't get that in the open market with the Yankmees out of the picture.

Complete and total crockery, propagated by the morons of the NY media.

From 2004 through 2007, A-Rod has played in 24 postseason games for the Yankees. In those 24 games, his line is .255/.417/.447/.864, with 4 HRs, 9 RBIs, and 15 runs scored. What jumps out at you there? Yes, his average, power, and RBIs are all down from where they are in a typical A-Rod regular season.... but his runs and OBP are almost the same. That's because in his postseason play with the Yankees, A-Rod is being walked more than 12% of the time. He's being pitched around, and then getting trashed for taking the walks.

And what of the other notable Yankees during this same period?

His Holiness, the Mighty Captain Clutch, King of Postseason Hits and Lord of All He Surveys, Derek Jeter: 24 postseason games in that period. Line: .291/.348/.466/.814. 4 HRs, 16 RBIs, 19 Rs. So the Mighty Jeter has the same number of HRs with more runs and ribbies in the postseason for those 4 years... but a lower OPS by more than 50 points. It's a lot easier to drive in runs when the pitchers aren't scared of you. A-Rod has 5 more walks than Jeter in 2 fewer plate appearances.

Matsui: 24 games, .316/.387/.551/.928, 4 HRs, 15 ribbies, 21 runs. Who knew Hideki Matsui had been the Yankees postseason MVP the last four years? I'll admit it... not me.

Posada: 24 games, .264/.387/.379/.766, 2 HRs, 6 RBIs, 12 runs. The worst so far.

Bernie: 17 games. .105/.128/.303/.431, 3 HRs, 14 RBIs, 8 runs. Okay, this trumps Posada. Of course, Williams was about 523 years old from '04-'06. Then again, Posada is about 543 in Catcher Years now, so that's probably a wash.

So guess what? In the four years Albatross-Rod has been a Yankee, he has been their second best hitter in the postseason, behind only Matsui. Which leaves everyone with two (sensible) possible choices to explain this: 1.) Blame something in the clubhouse atmosphere for the Yankees non-clutchitude in general, or 2.) admit that nearly every hitter in the history of the game has numbers worse in the postseason than in the regular season, and nearly every pitcher has a worse ERA, just because the competition in postseason play is much tougher than what you face in regular season play.

And if you want to explain the Yanks postseason losses, you look at their pitching. Their hitting has been fine, Choke-Rod included.

jpx7 · 10-23-2007, 08:32 PM

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His Holiness, the Mighty Captain Clutch, King of Postseason Hits and Lord of All He Surveys, Derek Jeter

lol.

bedir than average · 10-23-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Complete and total crockery, propagated by the morons of the NY media.

From 2004 through 2007, A-Rod has played in 24 postseason games for the Yankees. In those 24 games, his line is .255/.417/.447/.864, with 4 HRs, 9 RBIs, and 15 runs scored. What jumps out at you there? Yes, his average, power, and RBIs are all down from where they are in a typical A-Rod regular season.... but his runs and OBP are almost the same. That's because in his postseason play with the Yankees, A-Rod is being walked more than 12% of the time. He's being pitched around, and then getting trashed for taking the walks.

And what of the other notable Yankees during this same period?

His Holiness, the Mighty Captain Clutch, King of Postseason Hits and Lord of All He Surveys, Derek Jeter: 24 postseason games in that period. Line: .291/.348/.466/.814. 4 HRs, 16 RBIs, 19 Rs. So the Mighty Jeter has the same number of HRs with more runs and ribbies in the postseason for those 4 years... but a lower OPS by more than 50 points. It's a lot easier to drive in runs when the pitchers aren't scared of you. A-Rod has 5 more walks than Jeter in 2 fewer plate appearances.

Matsui: 24 games, .316/.387/.551/.928, 4 HRs, 15 ribbies, 21 runs. Who knew Hideki Matsui had been the Yankees postseason MVP the last four years? I'll admit it... not me.

Posada: 24 games, .264/.387/.379/.766, 2 HRs, 6 RBIs, 12 runs. The worst so far.

Bernie: 17 games. .105/.128/.303/.431, 3 HRs, 14 RBIs, 8 runs. Okay, this trumps Posada. Of course, Williams was about 523 years old from '04-'06. Then again, Posada is about 543 in Catcher Years now, so that's probably a wash.

So guess what? In the four years Albatross-Rod has been a Yankee, he has been their second best hitter in the postseason, behind only Matsui. Which leaves everyone with two (sensible) possible choices to explain this: 1.) Blame something in the clubhouse atmosphere for the Yankees non-clutchitude in general, or 2.) admit that nearly every hitter in the history of the game has numbers worse in the postseason than in the regular season, and nearly every pitcher has a worse ERA, just because the competition in postseason play is much tougher than what you face in regular season play.

And if you want to explain the Yanks postseason losses, you look at their pitching. Their hitting has been fine, Choke-Rod included.

Well done. Well Done indeed. If it wasn't for Tom Hicks he would have been either a Mariner or Brave anyway. I for one would have been proud to have kept him in Seattle. That offense in 2001 would have been SICK with Alex batting 3 or 4.

Heck, I would take him back even after the way he treated this city. If you have a chance to add that level of talent you do it.

Nocahoma · 10-24-2007, 01:44 PM

If it had not already been done, I'd quote Snowman for truth on this one. Well put, Snowy.

NadoBrave · 10-24-2007, 08:07 PM

None of those stats (crock or not) refute that fact that no team he's played for has won a WS yet Snowy. He's an albatross & I said that before the Yankmee trade on the original Fanhome. Thanks, but no thanks. Major waste of money when he signed & still waay overpaid today. It will be sweet justice if he retires that way. If he chooses to use the option out clause, then da Yankmees can use the wad from his loss to get that pitching you mentioned. Arod is too expensive even with all those stats & Yankmees, BOS & Mutts are the only ones stupid/financially immune enough now to spend that kind of $$ on one player.

Rennster fortunately I live in Coronado which is surrounded by water. Have had several friends in outlying cities with close calls, but so far only one guy I know has had an impact: his mom's home in Jamul burned last night. Unfortunately none of the big fires here is even close to being contained, despite all the optimistic talk.

bedir than average · 10-24-2007, 08:19 PM

Nado, was it Alex' fault that the 2000 Mariners didn't win the World Series?

NadoBrave · 10-24-2007, 08:28 PM

I'm not claiming its his fault guys; its Feng shui/character thing with me. When he made the big $$$ grab from Texas after da Bravos 10 Year $150 offer, it kinda soured me on him as a player, period, stats be damed. He showed his true colors then by going against his stated pursuit of playing for a contending team. He still hasn't helped bring a team a WS, period, exclamation point. No stat can refute that.

Snowman · 10-24-2007, 10:08 PM

1.) By all accounts, it wasn't the money that dictated his decision, it was JS' absolute refusal to include a no-trade clause.

2.) Even if it was for the money, it was $100 million. It was 66.6% more than what we were offering. If you were looking for a job, and one company offered you $30,000 a year, and another offered you $50,000 a year... which are you taking?

10-22-2007, 07:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
LongtimeBravesFan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,663	Would you want A-Rod? If we could trade Renterria for some good young pitchers, would you want the team to make a play for A-Rod if he opts out with the Yankees? I wouldn't be opposed to it.

10-22-2007, 07:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,155	If we had a $120+ million payroll, without a doubt. As it is, no. __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

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renny Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: along side the veteran presents `) Posts: 1,874	...that, and he's already deliriously happy with all the rings he's acquired so far playing for the Yankees. __________________ "We'll be back next year. We always are, aren't we?" -P Greg Maddux

10-23-2007, 05:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
NadoBrave Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fantasy Island Posts: 741	To me, he's a major albatross as the Yankmees learned. 0 WS rings since his arrival & a no show in the PS despite his regular season performance... Hmm remind you of someone else in the NL? I want more for my $$ than that. My prediction: he won't leave NY as no one is gonna pony up Borass type money if he opts as he won't get that in the open market with the Yankmees out of the picture. __________________ *It's a pity ignorance isn't painful!*

10-23-2007, 05:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
renny Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: along side the veteran presents `) Posts: 1,874	Have been wondering, Nado - has your home (and family) been spared from the fires? __________________ "We'll be back next year. We always are, aren't we?" -P Greg Maddux

10-23-2007, 03:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
D55 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 373	It would be nice to see him here but doesn't he want to play for a playoff team? Tsk, Tsk....

10-23-2007, 06:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
bedell Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 210	If the payroll was 150m maybe. __________________ Slainte!

10-24-2007, 01:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	If it had not already been done, I'd quote Snowman for truth on this one. Well put, Snowy.

10-24-2007, 08:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
NadoBrave Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fantasy Island Posts: 741	None of those stats (crock or not) refute that fact that no team he's played for has won a WS yet Snowy. He's an albatross & I said that before the Yankmee trade on the original Fanhome. Thanks, but no thanks. Major waste of money when he signed & still waay overpaid today. It will be sweet justice if he retires that way. If he chooses to use the option out clause, then da Yankmees can use the wad from his loss to get that pitching you mentioned. Arod is too expensive even with all those stats & Yankmees, BOS & Mutts are the only ones stupid/financially immune enough now to spend that kind of $$ on one player. Rennster fortunately I live in Coronado which is surrounded by water. Have had several friends in outlying cities with close calls, but so far only one guy I know has had an impact: his mom's home in Jamul burned last night. Unfortunately none of the big fires here is even close to being contained, despite all the optimistic talk. __________________ *It's a pity ignorance isn't painful!* Last edited by NadoBrave; 10-24-2007 at 11:51 PM.

10-24-2007, 08:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	Nado, was it Alex' fault that the 2000 Mariners didn't win the World Series? __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

10-24-2007, 08:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
NadoBrave Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fantasy Island Posts: 741	I'm not claiming its his fault guys; its Feng shui/character thing with me. When he made the big $$$ grab from Texas after da Bravos 10 Year $150 offer, it kinda soured me on him as a player, period, stats be damed. He showed his true colors then by going against his stated pursuit of playing for a contending team. He still hasn't helped bring a team a WS, period, exclamation point. No stat can refute that. __________________ *It's a pity ignorance isn't painful!* Last edited by NadoBrave; 10-24-2007 at 08:32 PM.

10-24-2007, 10:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Snowman Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Topsail Beach, NC Posts: 1,155	1.) By all accounts, it wasn't the money that dictated his decision, it was JS' absolute refusal to include a no-trade clause. 2.) Even if it was for the money, it was $100 million. It was 66.6% more than what we were offering. If you were looking for a job, and one company offered you $30,000 a year, and another offered you $50,000 a year... which are you taking? __________________ That corpse you planted last year in your garden, Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed? If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.