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rockieprogress · February 3rd, 2007, 10:27 AM

Roxpert,
You deride the Monforts for being honest with the fans, and telling them they're going to follow the A's organizational model, which you say can work here, and then turn around and say they're sending the wrong message to the players and the fans.

Most of the players don't care what organization PAYS them the big bucks, as long as they get it.
Did JJ show any loyalty to the organization? Not IMO. He wanted to "test the waters".
Holliday? Same thing.
Atkins? Same thing.
How about Francis? He signed and is thinking long-term, right? His loyalty might be rewarded when (if) he shows he keeps progressing, but if he doesn't keep getting better (18-20 wins per yr for a couple of yrs) they can cut the cord when he reaches FA.

That's a big difference between 3 of the 5 that most people want to keep.
The Rockies are not going to sign Holliday to a 7yr $115M contract after they've seen how Heltons health issues have affected his productivity.
Atkins? Same thing. With Stewart coming up, they don't need to sign him, so why do it? To appease the players? The fans?

Like I said, if Cook has a productive year, and establishes himself as a Staff leader, then sign him to a contract (and by that I mean 6-7 yrs). If he stays stagnant (not more than 13 wins), he gets a 1 yr and a JJ send-off for some prospects.
Just like the A's did with Mulder and Hudson. If the A's fans can see their franchise trade away 2 Pitchers that should be built around, and not panic and throw tantrums, then why can't the Rockies do the same thing with their fans? Should they allow Cook or JJ to do a Zito on them?
Tejada was a can't miss SS, that hits for power. And yet, the A's traded him away.
Did the fans revolt? NO.
Whats the difference between fanbases? One (the A's) has been told what the franchise is going to do, and the other (the Rockies) hasn't been very forthcoming with honest communication to their fans.

I can see that what the Rockies are doing, right now, is similar to what the A's did in the early 90's.

My question is this to you, and I'm not being vindictive or anything either, but as a Giants fan do you think your unease with the A's way of running their franchise (and the Rockies patterning their franchise after it) is due to your early baseball associations?

As far as other minor-league organizations, the Royals, Pirates, Brewers, Tampa are all franchises that haven't filled a single hole trading away their prospects.
The Yankees? They were only successful once they got 4 players to the bigs, and built around them. Once they traded away Soriano, and Bernie got old, they haven't been successful (which for their franchise is winning the WS), and have spent so much money, they could've bought LODO...

Yet the A's, Twins, and Braves, have reloaded numerous times, and been successful within their franchises goals.

February 3rd, 2007, 10:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
rockieprogress Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: aurora Posts: 183	Roxpert, You deride the Monforts for being honest with the fans, and telling them they're going to follow the A's organizational model, which you say can work here, and then turn around and say they're sending the wrong message to the players and the fans. Most of the players don't care what organization PAYS them the big bucks, as long as they get it. Did JJ show any loyalty to the organization? Not IMO. He wanted to "test the waters". Holliday? Same thing. Atkins? Same thing. How about Francis? He signed and is thinking long-term, right? His loyalty might be rewarded when (if) he shows he keeps progressing, but if he doesn't keep getting better (18-20 wins per yr for a couple of yrs) they can cut the cord when he reaches FA. That's a big difference between 3 of the 5 that most people want to keep. The Rockies are not going to sign Holliday to a 7yr $115M contract after they've seen how Heltons health issues have affected his productivity. Atkins? Same thing. With Stewart coming up, they don't need to sign him, so why do it? To appease the players? The fans? Like I said, if Cook has a productive year, and establishes himself as a Staff leader, then sign him to a contract (and by that I mean 6-7 yrs). If he stays stagnant (not more than 13 wins), he gets a 1 yr and a JJ send-off for some prospects. Just like the A's did with Mulder and Hudson. If the A's fans can see their franchise trade away 2 Pitchers that should be built around, and not panic and throw tantrums, then why can't the Rockies do the same thing with their fans? Should they allow Cook or JJ to do a Zito on them? Tejada was a can't miss SS, that hits for power. And yet, the A's traded him away. Did the fans revolt? NO. Whats the difference between fanbases? One (the A's) has been told what the franchise is going to do, and the other (the Rockies) hasn't been very forthcoming with honest communication to their fans. I can see that what the Rockies are doing, right now, is similar to what the A's did in the early 90's. My question is this to you, and I'm not being vindictive or anything either, but as a Giants fan do you think your unease with the A's way of running their franchise (and the Rockies patterning their franchise after it) is due to your early baseball associations? As far as other minor-league organizations, the Royals, Pirates, Brewers, Tampa are all franchises that haven't filled a single hole trading away their prospects. The Yankees? They were only successful once they got 4 players to the bigs, and built around them. Once they traded away Soriano, and Bernie got old, they haven't been successful (which for their franchise is winning the WS), and have spent so much money, they could've bought LODO... Yet the A's, Twins, and Braves, have reloaded numerous times, and been successful within their franchises goals.