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Newman · June 25th, 2008, 11:35 AM

[quote=wolf213;212383]Are you saying that the Dems aren't owned by Lobbyist? The Clintons are as corrupt as they come, and with Obama, the name Rezko should ring a bell. To say the Dems aren't owned by lobbist is Kool-aide drinking if I ever saw it. They are only owned by lobbist most other lefties agree with, PETA, Moveon, etc.

McCain was at one point in his career considering switching the Democratic party... so there is hope. Of the Republican nominations he's the one I liked the most, I have yet to see a solid example of how Bush's policies would continue under McCain. Oh and Newman this isn't just your America, its everyones. I take a big offense to your closed minded view points. However I agree with your premise that Iraq doesn't need to be America's oil whore... the future is in the development of renewable energy, but its a long process and it doesn't happen overnight.

Wolf, no offense, but you obviously don't follow the news. McCain = McSame. Same as Bush. What's the difference? He's trying to get the Evangelical vote if you recall his courting of Rev Hagge and that other whacko preacher. He would love Dobson's support. He's going after the conservative REpub base. Let's be honest here, Wolf.

WE've known each other a long time. You don't have to name call me like Dan Caplis would. We don't agree on all things. You can tolerate that, can't you?

Bob Schaeffer is owned by big oil. Cheney is big oil. The Repubs are owned by big oil. Don't we agree on that?

I agree with you, the Dems are gutless, Pelosi is an embarassment, and Obama is moving toward the center, to get elected. I'm not a fan of the Clintons. The more I learned about them and listened to them during this campaign, the less I liked them. Not a fan.

This is by far the dumbest thing you have said. Drilling isn't the Answer??? this isn't a supply and demand issue??? Do you have any grasp on basic economics. Do you know what countries like China and India are doing the oil prices? If we do drill and increase the supply, prices will have to go down, and while its a short term solution, its one that must be considered if we are tired of $4 gas.

I have a grasp. It's complicated. I hope you can see that Wolf. It's not a pure supply and demand issue. Americans are driving less. The corporate media is spinning it that India and China are driving more? Do you believe that, in those congested, impoverished countries? I don't. Sure they have more industry now, using slave labor to get Walmart it's cheap goods, but this is not enough to justify the huge spike in oil prices. It's all about oil speculation AND the falling US dollar. Supply and demand has little to do with it. It more has to do with Bush and his deregulation of the oil industry, the lack of regulation on Wall Street, buying on margin, that kind of crap.

Oh, I would say there have been more who have benefited... like the countless number of Iraqi citizens who under Sadaam would've been killed...

After 6 years of this war, do they have electricity yet, 24 hours a day, in Baghdad? Nope. Are they better off? How many people have fled Iraq because of the war? Have you thought of the refugee problem, the numbers that have fled? How many innocent people has our armed forces killed? We get no numbers. CBS no longer even has a war correspondent in Iraq! Last week more GIs were killed in Afghanistan than Iraq and none of the 3 major news corporations has a correspondent in Afghanistan. The media has let us down. America has war fatigue. What was the war all about? Scott McClellan said we were lied into the war. There was no threat. He should know. He was in the inner circle. Press Secretary.

Can we also have enough of this evil oil company crap??? Forbes recently published an article (of course Forbes might not be one of your reading materials because its a little to the right of the tub of lard blow hard Michael Moore) That said on average Oil Companies make 9.1 cents on every gallon. Compared to soft drink companies of almost 20 cents per every soft drink, who's markup is obsessive? I feel so sorry for the poor oil companies and their record profits <heavy sarcasm>. I feel sorry for the average American buying gas just to get to work. Food prices are skyrocketing. All prices are going up because of Bush's war. And we are none the more safer because of it.

Some questions for you Newman.

What do you think we should do about Iran? Do you think of them as a threat? Should we bother defending Israel?Let Israel defend itself. Sell them bombs and bombers. Let them do their own dirty work. What do YOU think, wolf?

Do you support the war going on in Afghanistan, or should we not be their either? What's the point of it? Spread democracy? Give me a break. Russia was driven out of there and they were a super power and a next door neighbor. What is the goal? Kill every terrorist? We have no achieveable goal. Is there any progress there? The news doesn't report. We don't know what's going on there. Is that where Osama bin laden is or is he in Pakistan. Why didn't Bush go after him, wolf? Doesn't that make you furious that he went to Iraq instead of going after bin laden?

Are you in favor of an all socialistic or even communistic version of America, where everyone contributes the the same pie, and every gets an equal amount of that pie, or should people be entitled to keep what they earn?

I'm a democratic socialist, wolf. The word socialism doesn't bother me. We drive on socialist streets. Who makes a profit? I deliver mail and make no profit. I do my job and then go home and enjoy my life, watch baseball, watch Keith Olbermann and the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. I believe we are all in this together. Conservatives believe it's every man for himself. I don't see life that way. We live in a community. We share water, electricity. Gas is a necessity. It's a monopoly.

Libertarians believe in trusting the free market. I don't see how that works. Did the free market wash the tomatoes before they came to market, or supply the migrant workers with portapotties - OR did that just cut in to their profits. I'm for regulation. I want clean food and clean water and clean air. Does that make me

a socialist!

June 25th, 2008, 11:35 AM	#967 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 566	A message for wolf [quote=wolf213;212383]Are you saying that the Dems aren't owned by Lobbyist? The Clintons are as corrupt as they come, and with Obama, the name Rezko should ring a bell. To say the Dems aren't owned by lobbist is Kool-aide drinking if I ever saw it. They are only owned by lobbist most other lefties agree with, PETA, Moveon, etc. McCain was at one point in his career considering switching the Democratic party... so there is hope. Of the Republican nominations he's the one I liked the most, I have yet to see a solid example of how Bush's policies would continue under McCain. Oh and Newman this isn't just your America, its everyones. I take a big offense to your closed minded view points. However I agree with your premise that Iraq doesn't need to be America's oil whore... the future is in the development of renewable energy, but its a long process and it doesn't happen overnight. Wolf, no offense, but you obviously don't follow the news. McCain = McSame. Same as Bush. What's the difference? He's trying to get the Evangelical vote if you recall his courting of Rev Hagge and that other whacko preacher. He would love Dobson's support. He's going after the conservative REpub base. Let's be honest here, Wolf. WE've known each other a long time. You don't have to name call me like Dan Caplis would. We don't agree on all things. You can tolerate that, can't you? Bob Schaeffer is owned by big oil. Cheney is big oil. The Repubs are owned by big oil. Don't we agree on that? I agree with you, the Dems are gutless, Pelosi is an embarassment, and Obama is moving toward the center, to get elected. I'm not a fan of the Clintons. The more I learned about them and listened to them during this campaign, the less I liked them. Not a fan. This is by far the dumbest thing you have said. Drilling isn't the Answer??? this isn't a supply and demand issue??? Do you have any grasp on basic economics. Do you know what countries like China and India are doing the oil prices? If we do drill and increase the supply, prices will have to go down, and while its a short term solution, its one that must be considered if we are tired of $4 gas. I have a grasp. It's complicated. I hope you can see that Wolf. It's not a pure supply and demand issue. Americans are driving less. The corporate media is spinning it that India and China are driving more? Do you believe that, in those congested, impoverished countries? I don't. Sure they have more industry now, using slave labor to get Walmart it's cheap goods, but this is not enough to justify the huge spike in oil prices. It's all about oil speculation AND the falling US dollar. Supply and demand has little to do with it. It more has to do with Bush and his deregulation of the oil industry, the lack of regulation on Wall Street, buying on margin, that kind of crap. Oh, I would say there have been more who have benefited... like the countless number of Iraqi citizens who under Sadaam would've been killed... After 6 years of this war, do they have electricity yet, 24 hours a day, in Baghdad? Nope. Are they better off? How many people have fled Iraq because of the war? Have you thought of the refugee problem, the numbers that have fled? How many innocent people has our armed forces killed? We get no numbers. CBS no longer even has a war correspondent in Iraq! Last week more GIs were killed in Afghanistan than Iraq and none of the 3 major news corporations has a correspondent in Afghanistan. The media has let us down. America has war fatigue. What was the war all about? Scott McClellan said we were lied into the war. There was no threat. He should know. He was in the inner circle. Press Secretary. Can we also have enough of this evil oil company crap??? Forbes recently published an article (of course Forbes might not be one of your reading materials because its a little to the right of the tub of lard blow hard Michael Moore) That said on average Oil Companies make 9.1 cents on every gallon. Compared to soft drink companies of almost 20 cents per every soft drink, who's markup is obsessive? I feel so sorry for the poor oil companies and their record profits <heavy sarcasm>. I feel sorry for the average American buying gas just to get to work. Food prices are skyrocketing. All prices are going up because of Bush's war. And we are none the more safer because of it. Some questions for you Newman. What do you think we should do about Iran? Do you think of them as a threat? Should we bother defending Israel?Let Israel defend itself. Sell them bombs and bombers. Let them do their own dirty work. What do YOU think, wolf? Do you support the war going on in Afghanistan, or should we not be their either? What's the point of it? Spread democracy? Give me a break. Russia was driven out of there and they were a super power and a next door neighbor. What is the goal? Kill every terrorist? We have no achieveable goal. Is there any progress there? The news doesn't report. We don't know what's going on there. Is that where Osama bin laden is or is he in Pakistan. Why didn't Bush go after him, wolf? Doesn't that make you furious that he went to Iraq instead of going after bin laden? Are you in favor of an all socialistic or even communistic version of America, where everyone contributes the the same pie, and every gets an equal amount of that pie, or should people be entitled to keep what they earn? I'm a democratic socialist, wolf. The word socialism doesn't bother me. We drive on socialist streets. Who makes a profit? I deliver mail and make no profit. I do my job and then go home and enjoy my life, watch baseball, watch Keith Olbermann and the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. I believe we are all in this together. Conservatives believe it's every man for himself. I don't see life that way. We live in a community. We share water, electricity. Gas is a necessity. It's a monopoly. Libertarians believe in trusting the free market. I don't see how that works. Did the free market wash the tomatoes before they came to market, or supply the migrant workers with portapotties - OR did that just cut in to their profits. I'm for regulation. I want clean food and clean water and clean air. Does that make me a socialist!