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hiaspire · December 30th, 2006, 10:37 PM

It isn't your job to point me to sites I've visited before myself, and stuff like that should stay out of the baseball issues anyway. Your Giants example is just another case supportive of my point about existing teams often knowing more about a pitcher's health who they no longer want to keep than an unsuspecting new one.

What "evidence" is there that all those collective highly debated issues over the years (and I'm not cherry-picking in hindsight, as I'll discuss any of those from A to Z - or Agbayani to Zito - and any more to come this off-season) should not be looked at from a different perspective to shed light on a potentially wayward calculation otherwise?

If you only want one perspective only, then have the FanHome people just name their site SABR-Home or something. I like the diversity of perspectives and conclusions.

Most of those cases involved miscalculations I'd argue (like Jim Thome especially discussed all last off-season) and sometimes arrive at the worst of all possible expected outcomes for that specific example because universal rules are applied to most no matter their unique context that can make a huge difference.

I'll add the context for those examples I think are way off base from what I see on the field, and with that comes better results I believe. And then we get to see what happens on the field.

As I've said, it is not that I think such ways of thinking are bad... just that some of the expressed conclusions seem vastly different from my own opinions at times. On the whole when you consider everyone, most calculations may be somewhat close to "right" on average because they involve thousands of ordinary examples without the added complications that arrise in some of the other higher profile discussions with additional issues raised beyond just the numbers that influence the outcome. But I think some of the "advances" have been great for the game and honestly believe that the best approach is a BALANCE between both instead of a one-way street where only one is acceptable.

December 30th, 2006, 10:37 PM	#157 (permalink)
hiaspire Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 481	It isn't your job to point me to sites I've visited before myself, and stuff like that should stay out of the baseball issues anyway. Your Giants example is just another case supportive of my point about existing teams often knowing more about a pitcher's health who they no longer want to keep than an unsuspecting new one. What "evidence" is there that all those collective highly debated issues over the years (and I'm not cherry-picking in hindsight, as I'll discuss any of those from A to Z - or Agbayani to Zito - and any more to come this off-season) should not be looked at from a different perspective to shed light on a potentially wayward calculation otherwise? If you only want one perspective only, then have the FanHome people just name their site SABR-Home or something. I like the diversity of perspectives and conclusions. Most of those cases involved miscalculations I'd argue (like Jim Thome especially discussed all last off-season) and sometimes arrive at the worst of all possible expected outcomes for that specific example because universal rules are applied to most no matter their unique context that can make a huge difference. I'll add the context for those examples I think are way off base from what I see on the field, and with that comes better results I believe. And then we get to see what happens on the field. As I've said, it is not that I think such ways of thinking are bad... just that some of the expressed conclusions seem vastly different from my own opinions at times. On the whole when you consider everyone, most calculations may be somewhat close to "right" on average because they involve thousands of ordinary examples without the added complications that arrise in some of the other higher profile discussions with additional issues raised beyond just the numbers that influence the outcome. But I think some of the "advances" have been great for the game and honestly believe that the best approach is a BALANCE between both instead of a one-way street where only one is acceptable. Last edited by hiaspire; December 30th, 2006 at 11:34 PM.