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Roxpert · November 22nd, 2006, 05:30 PM

I didn't exclude 2002 for "convenience", Heltonfan. I simply am not somewhere that allows me to look at the data for the 140 games that Hurdle managed in 2002. So I only see that the team played 3 games better than Pythagorus in 2002, and can't see that it was 5 games better during Hurdle's reign, but I'll take your word for it.

Assuming that's right, the following is the Hurdle record vs. Pythag....

2002: +5
2003: -4
2004: -5
2005: -3
2006: -5

See any pattern there? If anything, I think 2006 UNDER-reports the number of wins that Hurdle cost his team, and I think you agreed that he was very costly last season.

If you have the same inept and incompetent field management, how can you NOT incorporate that into an overall projection of their record? Strictly on a compilation of the numbers, your 79 wins is something I cannot dispute. But, based on Pythagorean AND empirical evidence of Hurdle's self-destructive managerial tendencies, I can and do discount such a projection by a handful of games. It may be subjective to give a haircut to your 79 win projection, but I believe it's proper.

November 22nd, 2006, 05:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,090	I didn't exclude 2002 for "convenience", Heltonfan. I simply am not somewhere that allows me to look at the data for the 140 games that Hurdle managed in 2002. So I only see that the team played 3 games better than Pythagorus in 2002, and can't see that it was 5 games better during Hurdle's reign, but I'll take your word for it. Assuming that's right, the following is the Hurdle record vs. Pythag.... 2002: +5 2003: -4 2004: -5 2005: -3 2006: -5 See any pattern there? If anything, I think 2006 UNDER-reports the number of wins that Hurdle cost his team, and I think you agreed that he was very costly last season. If you have the same inept and incompetent field management, how can you NOT incorporate that into an overall projection of their record? Strictly on a compilation of the numbers, your 79 wins is something I cannot dispute. But, based on Pythagorean AND empirical evidence of Hurdle's self-destructive managerial tendencies, I can and do discount such a projection by a handful of games. It may be subjective to give a haircut to your 79 win projection, but I believe it's proper.