my main 2 points have been 1) that dp's and strikeouts are different enough in value that they shouldn't really be added together to represent a single view of "negative outs". that was my point with the 42 and 185, that someone with a negative outs of 42 could be worse than someone with a negative outs of 185. it's an extreme situation, but illustrates the point.
and 2) that i haven't seen evidence to conclude that someone with a much higher ba, much lower k's, but higher dp's is automatically more valuable than someone with a slightly lower obp and materially higher slg. i don't doubt that there's benefit to making contact (to the extent it doesn't lead to an onerous amount of dp's). but that the overall value is fairly immaterial relative to the much bigger ticket items. which is what the links all show.
and results at the team level should translate to the individual level.
i have said that gwynn's fielding and speed (and peak seasons) make him an obvious choice overall. i just don't see where it's obviously one-sided from a pure hitting value standpoint.
as for stats being continually revisited - of course - and i'm open to adjustments for anything that can be shown to be materially relevant. i just haven't seen anything that supports negative outs, or positive outs, as being big difference makers.
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