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Originally Posted by kflo
i don't understand adding strikeouts and double plays together. strikeouts are marginally less valuable than other non-double-play outs, whereas double play outs are by far and away the least valuable type of out. gwynn's higher double play outs could be argued to have similar negative value as dunn's excess strikeouts. i wouldn't just add the 2 together. the negative of the dp far outweighs the negative of the k.
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Then I guess it's more a matter of point of view, not something very deep that requires much exploration to demystify. I see the K as a vacuum, rendered statistically harmless by the volume of outs overall, as opposed to the much lesser number of outs where the non-productivity of the K is laid bare. Since I've already explained this twice [and added the added edge of batted balls in play going for errors], there's no neded to explain it further. It's opinion + viewpoint.
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Originally Posted by kflo
gwynn has a lifetime (and peak) adj eqa advantage, and as mentioned, has the advantage everywhere else. gwynn didn't really have a decline phase. dunn likely will, but he also might not have entered his prime yet.
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This is precisely why I selected career numbers, so that stats for Gwynn through age 41 were aligned against a younger player [27?] entering his prime & peak years. Even so, Gwynn meaures up well; and I'm guessing, after Dunn's career is over, will be far more strategically productive.
Put most directly, I simply am a firm believer that guys who fan < 60 or so times a year, hit for high average and generally are heads-up on the basepaths will be more valuable over a season/career than guys who blast > 40 HRs but fan consistently >120 times per season.
By shher numbers, the K for them is expected every game; but the HR occurrences will be more random as to on-base situation, timeliness and consistency of event [every fourth game, streaks, etc.].
Now, guys like Pujols, Williams, Gehrig and Vlad ... 'nuther story altogether: they do/did it all.