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Originally Posted by djwhokid
Manning better than Tom Brady?
You are nuts.
The Manning-backers pointed to the stats, but that is not the case this season as Thomas will break Manning's record. Brady's playoff success obviously towers what Manning has donw.
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Yes I believe that Manning is Better. So many observers get into this habit of labeling a guy as the best in the game simply because of one eye-popping year and it is silly to me to somehow conclude that Brady is better based on this year alone. I still think that Peyton's entire body of work is better and more consistent from rookie year to current year in terms of judging these two.
I don't think that there is a better QB in terms of executing preparation, practice, and sunday performance than Manning. I Believe Manning is the very reason that you see more quarterbacks intensely studying Game Film more than ever these days, and It was Manning and Harrison who made Pregame preparation 2 hours before game time such an art that now you see more QB-WR tandems trying to build comraderie the same way.
I would even argue that It was peyton who made Brady a better QB by giving him a model to compete with, because you are not going to convince me that Brady was as Preparation anal as Manning when he first entered the league out of Michigan.
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Originally Posted by djwhokid
Marvin Harrison, seriously? Randy Moss is a better receiver than Harrison. If Moss had a consistent QB his entire career like Harrison, instead of the Brad Johnson/Jeff George/Daunte Culpepper/Kerry Collins/Aaron Brooks rotation, his numbers would even be better.
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I think you missed my point! I was just using Harrison as an example and Moss is actually a better Example to use .....So you are making my point....
Michael Jordan was hands down better than everyone in the NBA regardless of Position (Center, Forward, Guard, Power Forward, Etc.)
My point is that there are other players in the NFL that are so much on Par with Brady at their respective positions that you can't say Brady is the Best Player in Football...Moss and Tomlinson being the best examples to make my case. You will not be able to tell me that Brady is better at being a QB than Tomlinson is at being a Running Back or better as a QB than Moss is at being a Wide receiver.
Each of these guys are superior at their positions...Jordan was Superior REGARDLESS OF POSITION in the NBA!!!!!
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Originally Posted by djwhokid
OMG! Troy Brown has made the pro bowl once! Matt Light made the pro bowl once as a injury replacement. Willie McGinest has NEVER made the Pro Bowl.
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I may have been wrong about McGinest Making the Pro Bowl, but McGinest is no slouch so please don't try to dismiss him as simply a good linebacke and besides.....Pro Bowl Voting is just as political and shoddy as MLB All-Star Game voting. Deserving Players don't always make it so it is not exactly the 100% best way to determine a players worth.
Also Troy Brown has some worthy overall career numbers as a football player.
My point is that Brady was not surrounded by scrubs as you are trying so very hard to insist.
Also, Haven't you learned yet that you don't need 3 or 4 superstar players to win Championships and Having them doesn't guarantee one??? Where have you been the last 20 years??
The 2003-04 Detroit Pistons and the 1989 Los Angeles Dodgers are just a couple of many examples in sports of non-superstar laden teams winning it all and should I really waste time pointing out the gobs of star laden teams in sports who didn't win.
This is exactly why it is foolish to somehow downgrade Peyton simply because he didn't win more with Marvin, Reggie, Edge, Etc.
Hell.........Jim Kelly couldn't win with Thomas, Reed, a Very talented O-Line, and Bruce Smith on Defense.....But last time I checked he's still considered one of the best and a Hall of Famer as well.
So are we going to conclude that Kelly did not make every one around him better simply because the Bills didn't win more Super Bowls? How silly would that be and I am sure his Bills teammates would beg to differ.
I think the "making players around you better phenomena" is a two way street. Players make "EACH OTHER" better. No single player just makes everyone better. For as good as Brady makes his teammates better, his O-Line makes him better by giving him great pass protection, Moss makes him better with his great athleticism........You get the point.
And I also think that some players have a cap on how much better they can get almost to a point that the influence of a great player won't matter....they can only get so much better until they reach a peak and their weaknesses remain.
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Tom Brady does not have the supporting cast of say Peyton Manning. Manning has only one ring despite playing with Harrison (future HOF WR), Edge James (future HOF RB), Reggie Wayne (two-time Pro Bowl WR), Tarrik Glenn (pro Bowl OT), etc... etc..
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This is covered in my above paragraph.
And can someone explain to me why is it that everytime someone has an opinion that differs from those of Pats fans, you must be a "HATER"??????
Give Me A Break........ it's just as bad as listening to the Patriots ridiculously whine about not getting respect for the last 6 years when they are not only the most talked about team in the NFL, but one of the most talked about and respected teams in all of sports!!