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you are splitting hairs in terms of era/whip. Anytime it is under 1 that means you allowed less than one runner on base per inning. Pretty much perfect. .7, .8, .9 whatever.
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Yes, anything under 1 is great (heck anything under 1.20 is pretty good), but there is a HUGE difference between .7 and .8 and .9
HUGE.
Anything under .9 is significantly harder to do than 1.00
Anything under .8 is just unbelievable.
And well, only 2 relievers with 30+ saves have ever managed anything below .7, so to say "whatever" is not accurate.
Heres some more stats:
There are only 2 pitchers who have put up a 30 save season with a sub 0.70 WHIP:
Eckersley (0.61, twice)and Gagne (0.69)
No one else is even under 0.78.
There are only 3 other players who are under 0.80:
Wagner (0.78), Paplebon (0.78) and Nathan (0.79)
There are only 17 other players who are under 0.90 (BJ Ryan being one of them)
So there are only 29 different players (who combined to do it on 59 seperate occasions) in history who have managed to have a WHIP below 1.00 and 30+ saves. There is a lot of overlap with guys like Eckersley, Hoffman and Rivera putting up multiple seasons of such stats.
Breaking it down even furthur:
player seasons with 30+ saves and WHIP between:
1.00 -> 1.09: 65 seasons
0.90 -> 0.99: 32 seasons
0.80 -> 0.89: 21 seasons
0.70 -> 0.79: 3 seasons
below 0.70: 3 seasons
Its much more impressive to put up a sub 0.80 season than it is to have a sub 1.00 season. There is a HUGE difference.
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He certainly had an awesome season, but so did many, many , other pitchers have comparable seasons
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I said he had one of the best seasons by a reliever. I was correct, I backed it up by showing he had the 9th lowest ERA and 12th lowest WHIP. Yet you continue to debate me on this point, your main arguement being that many others have had great seasons.
So what? Im not taking anything away from all the great closer seasons in history. I'm merely presenting my opinion, backed up with facts (stats) that prove my point. BJ Ryan had one of the greatest seasons ever by a closer.
I don't know why you keep bringing up examples of some of the other greatest ever seasons as your arguement. You are just giving me arguement more credibility. Yes Nathan's 06 season is one of the greatest ever, So is Eck's 89. So are a bunch of others you've brought up. I've already agreed with you on that! And BJ's 06 stacks up nicely with those seasons as well.
You seem to be treating this as if I said BJ Ryan is the greatest closer of all time, or that he put up the greatest season of all time.
I'm not.
I said its one of the best seasons by a closer. And it is. The stats prove it.
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Eck 89:
57ip, 55k, 33sv, 1.56, .60
Eck 92:
80ip, 93k, 51sv, 1.91, .91(won mvp/cy young in the year with the higher era/whip)
Street 05:
78ip, 72k, 23sv, 1.72, 1.00
Cordero 05:
74ip 61k, 47sv, 1.82, .96
Nathan 04:
72ip, 89k, 44sv, 1.62, .98
Nathan 06:
68ip, 95k, 36sv, 1.58, .79
Mike Jackson:
64ip, 55k, 40sv, 1.55, .87
Gagne 02 03 04
Wagner 99 03 05
Basically any rivera season.
In conclusion, almost every season at least one person has a comparable year to Ryan in 06.
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You listed some seasons that I already had ranked AHEAD of Ryan. Mariano Rivera has never had a better season than BJ Ryan's 06 season. He has one season that is almost identical (2005) but its not better. Wagner has 2 seasons that were statistically better (see my list), and Gagne has 1 season that is statistically superior (see my list).
Mike Jackson's is pretty close, but not better. Joe Nathan's 06 I already ranked better. Chad Cordero's is not better. His WHIP is almost 1.00, while Ryan's is far far lower. Street's 04 and Nathan's 05 are very nice seasons, but they arent as good as BJ's 06. Eck had a better season in 89 and 90'. But his 1991 season stats are not as good, other than his save total. He has a higher ERA and a higher WHIP. He also pitched against overall worse hitters back then.
You're arguement about him winning the CY is silly. Just because he was voted the best pitcher one year, doesnt mean he's better than another pitcher in another year.
I've proven my original point multiple times. Everyone else can see that. I just spend 15 minutes typing this last post. I'm not going to waste anymore time beating a dead horse with you. You are taking up too much of my time by trying to argue something that doesnt make sense in regards to my original point.
End of story.