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TrueBlueJay · December 7th, 2006, 08:09 AM

Saves? The only use I have for saves is that I'm using a minimum of 30 for my list, for the sake of defining "closer" BJ Ryan (or Bruce Sutter's 1977 season) shouldnt hold him back because he had less saves than most on the list. Saves are one of the stupidest stats because its easy to get a save when you enter a game with a lead of more than 1 run, and there are some closers who clearly benefit more from that than others.

The bottom line for effectiveness is #1 WHIP and #2 ERA. How many baserunners you are allowing per inning, and how many runs you are allowing. Thats all you can be expected to do, its under your control. I do agree with you that IP is an important factor as well. A lot tougher to put up crazy numbers over 70 or 80 IP as opposed to 50 or 60. Which is why I listed Bruce Sutters 1977 season below higher up than a few others with lower WHIP, because he did it in 107 IP. Although I dont think that # of saves aren't that important since its team dependent, I do also agree that save % is a good stat, however I think its safe to say that everyone on my below list had great conversion rates since you couldnt put up a sub 1.50 ERA with a sub 0.90 WHIP if you are blowing a lot of saves.

My original list back on page 1 wasnt my top list, it was merely a list sorted by ERA. There are a few guys with high WHIP's who in my opinion shouldnt be there, so I'll list my top 15 seasons by a reliever with 30+ saves.

The top 3 are pretty clear cut, but really #'s 4-15 could be arranged in almost any order, they are all so close. (I tend to lean towards WHIP as my most important stat) Notice that I didnt use # of saves as a factor.

My Top seasons with 30+ Saves:
1. 90 Eckersley - 0.61 ERA, 0.61 WHIP 8.96 K/9, 73 IP
2. 03 Gagne - 1.20 ERA, 0.69 WHIP 14.98 K/9, 82 IP
3. 89 Eckersley - 1.56 ERA, 0.61 WHIP, 8.58 K/9, 58 IP
4. 06 Paplebon - 0.92 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 9.88 K/9, 68 IP
5. 99 Wagner - 1.57 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 14.95 K/9, 75 IP
6. 06 Nathan - 1.58 ERA, 0.79 WHIP, 12.51 K/9, 68 IP
7. 04 Benitez - 1.29 ERA, 0.82 WHIP, 8.01 K/9, 70 IP
9. 77 Sutter - 1.34 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 10.82 K/9, 107 IP
9. 05 Wagner - 1.51 ERA, 0.84 WHIP, 10.08 K/9, 78 IP
10. 00 Nen - 1.50 ERA, 0.85 WHIP, 12.55 K/9, 66 IP
11. 98 Hoffman - 1.48 ERA, 0.85 WHIP, 10.60 K/9, 73 IP
12. 06 Ryan - 1.37 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 10.70 K/9, 72 IP
13. 93 Harvey - 1.70 ERA, 0.84 WHIP, 9.52 K/9, 69 IP
14. 05 Rivera - 1.38 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 9.19 K/9, 78 IP
15. 02 Gagne - 1.97 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 12.50 K/9, 82 IP

December 7th, 2006, 08:09 AM	#24 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Saves? The only use I have for saves is that I'm using a minimum of 30 for my list, for the sake of defining "closer" BJ Ryan (or Bruce Sutter's 1977 season) shouldnt hold him back because he had less saves than most on the list. Saves are one of the stupidest stats because its easy to get a save when you enter a game with a lead of more than 1 run, and there are some closers who clearly benefit more from that than others. The bottom line for effectiveness is #1 WHIP and #2 ERA. How many baserunners you are allowing per inning, and how many runs you are allowing. Thats all you can be expected to do, its under your control. I do agree with you that IP is an important factor as well. A lot tougher to put up crazy numbers over 70 or 80 IP as opposed to 50 or 60. Which is why I listed Bruce Sutters 1977 season below higher up than a few others with lower WHIP, because he did it in 107 IP. Although I dont think that # of saves aren't that important since its team dependent, I do also agree that save % is a good stat, however I think its safe to say that everyone on my below list had great conversion rates since you couldnt put up a sub 1.50 ERA with a sub 0.90 WHIP if you are blowing a lot of saves. My original list back on page 1 wasnt my top list, it was merely a list sorted by ERA. There are a few guys with high WHIP's who in my opinion shouldnt be there, so I'll list my top 15 seasons by a reliever with 30+ saves. The top 3 are pretty clear cut, but really #'s 4-15 could be arranged in almost any order, they are all so close. (I tend to lean towards WHIP as my most important stat) Notice that I didnt use # of saves as a factor. My Top seasons with 30+ Saves: 1. 90 Eckersley - 0.61 ERA, 0.61 WHIP 8.96 K/9, 73 IP 2. 03 Gagne - 1.20 ERA, 0.69 WHIP 14.98 K/9, 82 IP 3. 89 Eckersley - 1.56 ERA, 0.61 WHIP, 8.58 K/9, 58 IP 4. 06 Paplebon - 0.92 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 9.88 K/9, 68 IP 5. 99 Wagner - 1.57 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 14.95 K/9, 75 IP 6. 06 Nathan - 1.58 ERA, 0.79 WHIP, 12.51 K/9, 68 IP 7. 04 Benitez - 1.29 ERA, 0.82 WHIP, 8.01 K/9, 70 IP 9. 77 Sutter - 1.34 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 10.82 K/9, 107 IP 9. 05 Wagner - 1.51 ERA, 0.84 WHIP, 10.08 K/9, 78 IP 10. 00 Nen - 1.50 ERA, 0.85 WHIP, 12.55 K/9, 66 IP 11. 98 Hoffman - 1.48 ERA, 0.85 WHIP, 10.60 K/9, 73 IP 12. 06 Ryan - 1.37 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 10.70 K/9, 72 IP 13. 93 Harvey - 1.70 ERA, 0.84 WHIP, 9.52 K/9, 69 IP 14. 05 Rivera - 1.38 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 9.19 K/9, 78 IP 15. 02 Gagne - 1.97 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 12.50 K/9, 82 IP Last edited by TrueBlueJay; December 7th, 2006 at 08:17 AM.