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nanwynnfan · 08-05-2007, 11:48 AM

"Bonds is a Roid-head, and his "record" should be treated with the same level of respect as any other record set by any other Roid-head. Which is to say, none at all."

It would be easy to just say, prove it. However, just for the sake of fairness, lets review Bonds' career vs. Aaron's career BEFORE te 'roid rage came tumbling down on Bonds .

1. By age 35, Bonds had hit >40 HR in 4 seasons, while Aaron had accomplished that 5 times;

2. After Aaron had broken Ruth's record with something to spare, at 733, he continued playing for 2 more seasons with the following production:

.234/.332/.355; OPS = .687
.229/.315/.369; OPS = .684

These two seasons yielded 22 additional HR, thus the target at 755. Was it Aaron's right to hang in there for two extra years? Sure, but not much added polish to his career production numbers, or team contribution.

3. Within sight of Aaron's final record and coming off a season lost to injury, Bonds pursued the record [under more 'roid scrutiny and with no suspension, no convictions and no charges that would bench him], Bonds has produced as follows:

2006: .270/.454/.545; OPS = .999
2007: .272/.493/.556; OPS = 1.049

4. Over their careers, Aaron produced HR's at a 5.42% of AB, or 1 HR per 18.45 AB; Bonds has produced @ 6.04% or 1 HR per 16.56 AB; and Bonds has had the bat taken out of his hands by IBB incredibly more than Aaron.

This last bit responds to 1Perry who made a distinction between old and fat. I really anticipated that. I made references to the individuals named, but NOT at the point of their lives when they became decidedly obese; but that in-between age when each showed signs of middle-age spread, with a filled out Ted Williams, 40 pounds heavier than his 1939 playing weight, and still able to hit .388.

Two last statistical points: Runs Created/PA:

Bonds: 21.28%, or 127.68 runs created/600 PA
Aaron: 18.58%, or 111.48 runs created/600 PA

Or, the concept of RC/27 outs, which projects run production by a team composed of a player:

Bonds: 9.91
Aaron: 7.65

And all that totally without regard for stolen bases and/or defense awards, just as a backdrop.

08-05-2007, 11:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
nanwynnfan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,579	"Bonds is a Roid-head, and his "record" should be treated with the same level of respect as any other record set by any other Roid-head. Which is to say, none at all." It would be easy to just say, prove it. However, just for the sake of fairness, lets review Bonds' career vs. Aaron's career BEFORE te 'roid rage came tumbling down on Bonds . 1. By age 35, Bonds had hit >40 HR in 4 seasons, while Aaron had accomplished that 5 times; 2. After Aaron had broken Ruth's record with something to spare, at 733, he continued playing for 2 more seasons with the following production: .234/.332/.355; OPS = .687 .229/.315/.369; OPS = .684 These two seasons yielded 22 additional HR, thus the target at 755. Was it Aaron's right to hang in there for two extra years? Sure, but not much added polish to his career production numbers, or team contribution. 3. Within sight of Aaron's final record and coming off a season lost to injury, Bonds pursued the record [under more 'roid scrutiny and with no suspension, no convictions and no charges that would bench him], Bonds has produced as follows: 2006: .270/.454/.545; OPS = .999 2007: .272/.493/.556; OPS = 1.049 4. Over their careers, Aaron produced HR's at a 5.42% of AB, or 1 HR per 18.45 AB; Bonds has produced @ 6.04% or 1 HR per 16.56 AB; and Bonds has had the bat taken out of his hands by IBB incredibly more than Aaron. This last bit responds to 1Perry who made a distinction between old and fat. I really anticipated that. I made references to the individuals named, but NOT at the point of their lives when they became decidedly obese; but that in-between age when each showed signs of middle-age spread, with a filled out Ted Williams, 40 pounds heavier than his 1939 playing weight, and still able to hit .388. Two last statistical points: Runs Created/PA: Bonds: 21.28%, or 127.68 runs created/600 PA Aaron: 18.58%, or 111.48 runs created/600 PA Or, the concept of RC/27 outs, which projects run production by a team composed of a player: Bonds: 9.91 Aaron: 7.65 And all that totally without regard for stolen bases and/or defense awards, just as a backdrop. Last edited by nanwynnfan; 08-05-2007 at 11:58 AM.